321 | Using NAD+ to Improve Healthspan & Longetivity with Dr. She

[00:00:06] Welcome to The Optimal Body Podcast. I'm Dr. Jen. And I'm Dr. Dom and we are doctors of physical therapy bringing you the body tips and physical therapy pearls of wisdom to help you begin to understand your body, relieve your pains and restrictions and answer your questions. Along

[00:00:19] with expert guests our goal of The Optimal Body Podcast is really to help you discover what optimal means within your own body. Let's dive in. Very excited to welcome our next guest on going to have a talk deep into longevity and increasing your lifespan and healthspan.

[00:00:38] Professor She is a PhD who celebrates in September of 2023 his 40-year anniversary of scientific research. He has had professorships in multiple universities, served at key academic leader positions, and has received prestigious awards in academic research and services. He is an eminent scholar in biotechnology, has authored over 400 scientific

[00:01:02] papers with over 20,000 citations, and has secured over $100 million in research grant. He's also been invited to speak globally on his research. He is a top 20 Georgia top medical researcher and Dr. She is a serial entrepreneur and currently focuses on providing end-to-end

[00:01:20] solutions to optimize performance, healthspan, and lifespan via a holistic approach guided by actionable biomarkers. I love this conversation with Dr. She because we talk into very practical steps on how you can make sure you're putting the right things in your body to improve your longevity

[00:01:37] and lifespan. Dr. She, thanks so much for taking some time to chat with us today. We're super excited to have you on because you're truly a goliath in the space of medical research, specifically when it comes down to aging and cellular health. I know you have so many

[00:01:54] accomplishments in the space, even discovering genes that result in different diseases like diabetes. So thanks for coming on today to chat with us a little bit about what you do. Thank you. It's my honor to join you today.

[00:02:08] What got you interested in going into the field of medicine? Well, when I was growing up, my family really suffered a lot of health issues. My sister died at the age of 36 and that's when I was ready to go to college. So that was a shock. Yeah.

[00:02:35] My father also had serious health issues and he almost died at the age of 55. And fortunately, it was a misdiagnosis and he did not have liver cancer. So it was initially diagnosed. So the suffering from the family members and also other people around me

[00:03:03] really was the motivation for me to study biology and medicine in particular. Unfortunately, I was not able to get into medicine immediately, but at least I got into biology. And over the years, gradually, I moved into the field of medicine and I don't regret it.

[00:03:28] I'm interrupting your episode really quickly to just talk about this whole NAD thing. Now, Dom and I actually got to test our NAD levels, which were not great. Mine, especially in this time of being postpartum, oh my goodness, was it low. And then within two and a half,

[00:03:45] three weeks, we retested. And after taking the supplement two times a day consistently, consistently, our levels of NAD and how much it rose and was improved was shocking in such a short period of time. It was incredible. Now, GINfinity is the company that we've been using,

[00:04:04] and you can actually go on their website and we'll have it linked down in the show notes and everything. You can use code optimal20 and you get 20% off any of their products. Now you got

[00:04:13] to listen to the rest of the episode to understand what NAD does, really how it impacts your body, why it's so beneficial, especially he talks about pregnancy and postpartum, especially during this phase. And I actually talk a little bit about something that I saw

[00:04:29] pretty surprising within just taking this within a few weeks. It's crazy. So continue to listen to this episode, but we are also doing a giveaway and they're giving away incredible prizes. All you

[00:04:42] have to do is go to our show notes, click the link for the giveaway and enter your name and email. And we're actually choosing winners on September 15th. So that's on Friday. So you got to enter in

[00:04:54] now, especially if you're listening in real time, enter in now because one of the big prizes is worth $4,000 really getting to test everything that's going on with your body. Take their two months worth of supplements and actually talk to a doctor about your results. They're giving away

[00:05:10] incredible prizes. So definitely you don't want to miss out on this giveaway. But if you want to just check out their site, don't forget to use code optimal20 and you can get 20% off anything

[00:05:19] on their site. Okay, let's go back into the episode. So do you think that background where you started in biology got you interested more in going the research route rather than practicing medicine in a clinic or something? Yeah. I was always interested in understanding

[00:05:40] how life started and how everything works. And having the background in biology, it's relatively easy to really move into medicine. Because if you want to advance medical practice, you really have to understand how it works, how you can make accurate diagnosis, how can you predict

[00:06:08] what might happen in the future. And also, obviously, you have to come up with new intervention strategies. So having a background in research is really important to me. And it has

[00:06:24] had a great impact on what I've been doing in the last 40 years and in the last four years in particular. And so how did you then decide to really like kind of focus in on aging particularly

[00:06:40] and longevity? So my career actually started investigating the causes of childhood disease, especially type 1 diabetes. As you know, type 1 diabetes is autoimmune disease that occurs primarily in very young children. But my research was about how to identify

[00:07:04] children at high risk for developing the disease and how we can prevent the disease. Based on that background, I have always been in disease prevention. And that's what my interest was. And later on, particularly in the last five years or so, I became more interested in longevity

[00:07:30] or how we can reverse aging or extend health span or how long we can stay healthy. Because of a selfish reason initially. I was in my late 50s and my body was not functioning as I used to.

[00:07:55] So I knew there was something that I had to do for myself. And I started looking into how I might be able to help myself. That's how I really got interested into the longevity

[00:08:13] field initially. But the more I look into it, and the more I realize this is an important issue because aging is really the number one risk factor for aging-related diseases. If we want to stay healthy for as long as possible, we must have a good handling on the

[00:08:36] aging process and figure out ways to stay healthy and how we can prevent diseases in the first place. Yeah. I think that's fascinating. And you could call it a selfish reason or just a reason of

[00:08:54] passion. I think that we all have these things come up as we get older in life, certain things become very important to us. And for you, noticing your body wasn't working like it was maybe in your

[00:09:07] 20s or 30s and it's like, okay, how do I continue to stay as healthy as possible the more that I age? And I think that's such a hot topic right now is this conversation around longevity

[00:09:20] and reversing aging you mentioned. So, when we talk about humans, what are the signs of aging? Because I know a lot of people will just think of getting gray hair and getting wrinkles, but those are more of the external signs that somebody might be aging. What is happening

[00:09:40] on more of a physiologic or cellular level that you look at when it comes to aging? Yeah, you're absolutely right. If you look at aging, most people may look at the outer side

[00:09:53] of our body and that's wrinkles, white hair, gray hair, you may not move as fast as you used to and all these are obviously important. But we really have to look inside out. What happens inside our body at the cellular level and also at the molecular level really

[00:10:22] determine how we look outside, how we might be able to perform certain duties. And if you want to stay healthy or become even younger than yourself, you have to start from optimizing cellular functions without dealing with how our cells function. It's more difficult

[00:10:57] to obtain results on the other activities like all our appearances. So, health really starts at the molecular and cellular level and we have tools and solutions to make the cells and the whole body function better. And is it possible to start reversing some of these cellular processes?

[00:11:24] Certainly, we can. There are a number of approaches that we can do it. In my own practice and also when I help other customers or friends and families, the program that I advocate is called

[00:11:48] TAO. TAO stands for test, act and optimize. In order to achieve the desirable outcomes, we really need to know better about our own body and how our body functions. The only way that we can find it out is through testing biomarkers. Biomarkers are just

[00:12:22] molecules or other biological features that we can measure in a laboratory from the blood, urine or saliva and other bodily fluids. So, by testing different biomarkers, we can figure out what we are mostly deficient in and what our body needs to get an optimum performance.

[00:12:53] So, testing is the first step. Testing will tell you how you need to act and you can need to act in a precise and personalized manner because we are all built differently. We inherit different genes

[00:13:13] and we experience different lifestyles and how the genes and the external and internal environment interact and produce who we are. By getting precise biological information through testing, we can come up with very precise and personalized plans of action. But if you test and not act,

[00:13:41] that's obviously not going to give you any desirable outcome. So, testing and action are really the key. With testing and action, we hope to achieve certain outcomes. But that's not enough. You really have to continue the testing process so you can use

[00:14:05] the information to further optimize what you do and to fine-tune your program in order to achieve the optimal status. So, this TAO program is really essential if we want to optimize our cellular health and the whole body function. When you talk about the TAO test, act, optimize,

[00:14:33] I think that's definitely an important process. And one thing that I have a question about because when it comes to proactive health, which a lot of this is going to live in the space of proactive health and health that in the current state, specifically of our medical system,

[00:14:51] a lot of insurance companies don't cover for or it might be seen from people as very expensive. So, what would you say to people out there who might not have the disposable income or income on a monthly basis to do consistent testing?

[00:15:10] So, testing can be expensive, but it's really a choice that everyone has to make. So, what's the importance of one place on their own health versus the many other demands? I mean,

[00:15:30] I understand if you have to pay rent or have to buy food or have to do everything, but you can conduct a comprehensive testing like Brian Johnson does. Brian Johnson is what everyone's talking

[00:15:46] about in the longevity field. He spends over $2 million a year on his own longevity program, but that's not just for himself. I think he's spending the money and using his own body to

[00:16:05] figure out how best to take actions to optimize his own health and longevity. For the average person on the street who does not have a lot of money or spare money to spend, there are simpler

[00:16:25] programs that we can do. You can prioritize what needs to be tested and you don't have to spend a huge amount of money to achieve reasonable outcomes. There are a few things that I believe are essential. One example is a vitamin that's called NAD or niacinamide adenine dinucleotide.

[00:16:59] This vitamin is so essential to our body function and just by optimizing the level of NAD, you can achieve a really measurable outcome. What's important is not how much you spend on the program, but how can you use the limited resources that one has available to him

[00:17:37] and try to achieve the best outcome possible. I don't think money is really the roadblock here. The roadblock is how much emphasis we put on our own health. It's a priority issue.

[00:18:00] Is it more important to spend a little more money on health-related programs or is it more important to, let's say, buy a beer or alcohol? That's what some of us do. It's a decision that everyone has

[00:18:23] to make. The point is money should not be a major issue. I know money is important, but we can come up with very simple actions that does not take a lot of money to optimize or to at least

[00:18:40] improve health and improve our long-term outlook in health and lifespan. Yeah. I mean, it's everything that we prioritize, but exactly what you're talking about. What are we going to prioritize? Is it going to be the comfort measures that we know on a day-to-day

[00:19:00] basis or is it going to be actionable things that we can take in for our body to really help improve and expand our lifespan? I think that's what's important. I've heard about NAD throughout the

[00:19:12] years, but I guess I just didn't understand how is it really impactful for our bodies? Why is this really important within our body? If we're not addressing some of those other factors, like you said, purchasing alcohol or drinking coffee or not getting enough sleep, is optimizing my NAD

[00:19:34] going to matter if I'm not taking care of these other factors in my body or in my lifestyle? You're absolutely right. So, optimizing NAD or optimizing any other single molecule is certainly not going to be enough. So we very often talk about the holistic approach

[00:20:01] and nutrition, sleep, movement, avoid stress, avoid harmful exposure, avoid injury and accidents. All these are important for our health and longevity. There are a lot of actions that don't take a lot of money that everyone can do, but there are certain nutrients that our body really

[00:20:36] needs for everything else to function. I would put NAD and also vitamin D that most people understand. And these two vitamins are essential and it does not take a lot of money to optimize our vitamin D

[00:20:57] level. For example, it's probably five bucks a month and you can buy it from Walmart, Costco or any of the other vitamin stores. It's five dollars a month and it will do a lot of good to your body.

[00:21:20] If you look at the population, even in the most advanced countries in the world, the United States, most people are still deficient in vitamin D. That's because we are not providing enough education to the general public and even the medical professionals don't really

[00:21:45] recognize how important the vitamin D level is to one's long-term health. So we have to change the mentality of not just the general public, we also have to change the mentality of the medical professionals. The pandemic, COVID, if there's one thing that's good coming out of the pandemic

[00:22:17] is I think more people are paying attention to their health and to the nutrition that they are taking. And that's really good. So in addition to vitamin D, NAD is another vitamin that everyone should take because it plays such an important role in our cellular function. Without NAD,

[00:22:49] our body wouldn't function at all. That's because NAD is essential to the production of cellular energy. There's a molecule called ATP that many people may have heard of. Without NAD,

[00:23:06] our cells cannot produce energy. It's like if your car runs out of gas, the car is not going to move. If our body runs out of NAD, our body wouldn't move. Not only NAD is essential to the

[00:23:22] production of cellular energy, NAD plays an essential role in over 500 different cellular processes. So the bottom line is without enough NAD, our body wouldn't function at all. Unfortunately, the NAD level declines with age. Most people in their 30s and beyond

[00:23:53] are highly likely to be deficient in NAD. Without elevating the NAD level through supplementation, our body is deficient in NAD and the body functions in a suboptimal way. Deficiency in NAD contributes to the development of many diseases that we commonly hear every day,

[00:24:27] which is cardiovascular diseases, infectious disease, diabetes, kidney disease, and neurological diseases. Through our studies, we know that NAD is the number one molecular function that we have to optimize for any other interventions to achieve their best efficacy.

[00:24:56] Yeah, I think that's so important to point out. And like you said, there are other vitamins that the majority of people are deficient in like vitamin D. And then we look at NAD, which has a

[00:25:10] vast amount more of important processes that it's involved with on the cellular level. And so when we are deficient in that, like you're saying, it can result in so many different symptoms, pre-disease symptoms, but also down the road contribute to developing a lot of those

[00:25:34] other symptoms. So what does it look like? Because I know through your company, Ginfinity, Jen and I have both been able to experience now doing the blood test to test our own NAD and then taking the Vitality Boost supplement that you have. And both of us were

[00:25:53] pretty shocked at how quickly it raised our NAD levels. So what is special about the Vitality Boost product that you have versus other NAD supplements that you might find out there? Sure. So the Vitality Boost supplement from Ginfinity is a patent-pending formulation

[00:26:16] that actually my wife came up with. And I'm just talking about what she has done. Wow. This product contains four very important ingredients. The most important one is an ingredient called NMN, or nicotinamide mononucleotide. NMN is what we call a precursor

[00:26:45] or something that's used to make another molecule called NAD. So when we give cells NMN, the cells convert NMN into NAD. So why do we give people NMN instead of NAD?

[00:27:08] That's because NAD is too big a molecule and it does not get inside the cells. And also NAD is not very stable. That's why we give the precursor NMN and the cells take up NMN and

[00:27:28] convert it into NAD. That's the best way to elevate NAD level. So not only we have NMN in the product, we have three other ingredients. Without giving you too much scientific details, the bottom line is this product provides multiple ways for the cells to make NAD.

[00:27:53] And also it provides a way for the cells to store the ATP or the cellular energy that's produced by the cells. You can call it a battery. So when you have excess ATP and ATP is stored, and then when you exercise or you have high intensity physical activities,

[00:28:25] you need more ATP. And the ATP that's stored in the battery gets released and that will help you power the actions that you have. Is that the creatine? That's the creatine. Yeah, I saw that

[00:28:40] that was in there and I was wondering the reason that you include creatine but that makes sense to give you more of that short-term battery like you're talking about. Yeah, the creatine really serves as a battery for cellular energy. It's very important. And certainly these ingredients

[00:29:00] work synergistically to promote cellular functions and revitalize the cells. And how they work exactly is still not clear. But the outcome that the users are getting really not what I expected. It's unbelievable. And we're getting all kinds of functional our clinical improvement from taking this product.

[00:29:33] You know, I think it's fascinating everything that, you know, NAD has been showing to help within the body and something that I immediately looked at because I'm breastfeeding and I want

[00:29:43] to make sure anything I put in my body, is it safe? Is it okay? And something I found was interesting too, is just looking into research and how it's helped to boost milk production

[00:29:54] for those who are nursing moms and how much benefits had in postpartum but also pregnancy. Can you talk a little bit about how NAD is really helping with someone who is helping to grow and sustain life, you know, for moms who are getting pregnant or postpartum?

[00:30:14] So we can start from pregnancy. My wife was on the product when she was pregnant a little over three years ago. And during pregnancy, a woman's body changes dramatically. You need more energy for sure because you have a fetus and that's inside of the womb.

[00:30:39] And also there are many other physiological and biochemical changes in the body. One thing that we found was the dramatic increase of oxidative stress. And for those who don't know what oxidative stress is, it is the free radicals or molecules that are produced as part of the

[00:31:11] process that produce cellular energy ATP. And it's a by-product. But during pregnancy, that goes through the roof. Free radicals are really bad to our health because they can damage our DNA, they can damage our protein, our cell membranes. And it's a huge risk factor

[00:31:43] to our health in general and particularly is very, very high during pregnancy. And NAD can help reduce oxidative stress in addition to many other functions. It also helps to reduce inflammation that's going on during pregnancy. And also glucose control. As you know,

[00:32:10] a significant number of women during pregnancy may develop gestational diabetes and NAD can potentially help to control that process as well. So there are many, many benefits that a pregnant woman can deduce from having an optimized NAD level.

[00:32:33] And I must say that this is not tested in any formal clinical trials, but the product is very safe to be taken by anyone during pregnancy or not. I actually supplement my six-year-old daughter because she was deficient in NAD. And then all the way to postpartum,

[00:33:02] and I think you actually experienced an increase of milk production that's very much in line with the expected function of NAD. And also I believe that it can help a mom to recover from the pregnancy and the delivery. And it will give you more energy

[00:33:29] to take care of the family and the new baby. It's something that I think can really change the lives of a new mom. Yeah, and I know that we chatted previously and we talked a little bit

[00:33:45] about this, the benefits that people will start to realize or see. And for some people, it's subtle. For some people, it might be profound, but it's a wide array of different benefits that people

[00:33:59] report, which kind of makes sense based on what NAD does when it's involved in so many different cellular processes. Like you said, it helps with oxidative stress, so essentially reduces the cellular stress on our bodies. It helps with different neurologic functions. So, people out

[00:34:18] there are seeing benefits from improvements in their sleep, seeing benefits from feeling like they have less anxiety, feeling like they have more energy late in the day when they're normally experiencing a crash. So, I know it's kind of hard to answer like, oh, what benefits do I feel

[00:34:37] from optimizing my NAD? It can really be a whole laundry list of different things that people will experience. And I guess one thing that I have a bit of a question about, when Jen and I both

[00:34:52] took the products and on your site, you say you can see a pretty drastic rise in your cellular NAD level within two weeks. And I know we discussed this a little bit, knowing that, do you continue to take the supplement? Will your cellular NAD levels continue to rise?

[00:35:13] Will they eventually plateau and find a place where they feel comfortable? And then beyond that, do we need to continue to take the supplement? Will those NAD levels drop back down if we

[00:35:27] stop taking the supplement? Or is there a way that you can eventually optimize your NAD levels where you won't need to supplement? I know there's a lot of different questions in there.

[00:35:39] Yeah, these are all great questions. I'll try to answer them one by one. If I miss something, you can remind me. So, the first question is how fast we can elevate NAD levels. It's pretty fast.

[00:35:58] Usually a few days. We usually don't test people within the first two weeks, but we have tested a few. And I know we can elevate the NAD level around day five, if not earlier. And we can do

[00:36:22] some studies to see how soon the NAD level can go up. But as of now, five or six days, we see dramatically increased NAD levels. No doubt about it. But we also know that NAD levels start peaking

[00:36:42] around two weeks. After two weeks, it may still go up a little bit. And some people may peak around week four. That's why we recommend retesting after three to four weeks. And if you don't see a significant change after four weeks, it's probably not going to go up

[00:37:05] much more. Okay, so it's a relatively quick process. Now, if you stop taking the supplement, it goes back to baseline in about four weeks. So, it's a slow decline process, but it will go back.

[00:37:29] Why does it go back? Well, because our body is consuming NAD all the time. If you consume something that you don't put it back, obviously, it's going to decline to the previous balance or the baseline level. So, unfortunately, we have to continue to take the supplement to maintain

[00:38:01] the NAD level at the desirable range. And that's not different from taking food. We have to eat almost every day, if not multiple times a day. If you don't eat enough food, you're going to go

[00:38:22] hungry, right? And NAD is the same. You have to supply the ingredients for the cells to continue to make NAD to keep it at a level that's optimal. That makes a lot of sense. And what are you also

[00:38:40] kind of adding into your own life and kind of focusing on to help optimize overall longevity along with NAD? What do you recommend people kind of focus on along with supplementing to replenish their body? So, the number one supplement that I would like to recommend

[00:39:07] is NAD for various reasons. But I would say, if you don't have a lot of money, at least get your vitamin D to the desirable level. That's very, very cheap. As I said, five, maybe $10 a month.

[00:39:26] I hope that everyone can afford that. And if I'm in the government, I would give vitamin D to everyone for free and we'll save money in the long run because we improve the health.

[00:39:40] NAD, I would put it right among the top list because it provides so much more benefits. And vitamin D is very important. Many people understand that. And vitamin NAD, if I have to

[00:39:56] put a number, will be 10 times more important than vitamin D. So go buy some vitamin D from any store. It usually works. For most people, they actually need about 5,000 units. Some people

[00:40:16] need 10,000 units a day. And I take 10,000 units a day to get my level to the 50s and 60s international units or IU. And then after that, take a multivitamin. That's not very expensive

[00:40:38] at all. And you may want to supplement a little more vitamin C. Again, it's not very expensive at all. So there are a lot of essential vitamins that actually work but you have to take enough. The number one misconception on vitamins is people don't know whether it works.

[00:41:08] And the number one reason why it may not work is the dosage. If you don't take enough, it's not going to do you much good. And that's true to a lot of vitamins. It's also true to NAD.

[00:41:26] You can find many different NAD products on the market. You can buy from Amazon. You now can buy from Walmart. And unfortunately, almost all these products don't recommend a high enough dosage for it to make a difference in your life. In many cases,

[00:41:51] it's not that the vitamins don't work, but they don't work because the vendors don't give you enough. You're not taking enough and obviously it's not going to work. So at Trinity, we really

[00:42:07] focus on delivering the efficacy. We want to test people to see how much they need, what they need. And then they decided to buy the products that they want to buy. We certainly have our recommendations. But also after taking the supplement, that's very important. We retest

[00:42:35] to see whether you are getting the desirable outcome. So the people who chose to work with us and they wanted efficacy, they wanted the outcome. They are not just trying to buy any cheaper

[00:42:51] product that they can find. And then I definitely don't recommend it because you're not only wasting your money, you're wasting your time to get optimal health. And you may be actually causing

[00:43:09] harm in some cases. So be careful of what you take and make sure that you chose the best product. And more importantly, you want to make sure that you have a way to evaluate whether the product is giving you the benefits that you really need and want.

[00:43:35] Yeah. I'm glad you brought that up because I know that when we chatted, you talked about how other NAD supplements, they have claims that say, oh, we can raise your NAD levels 30% or 40%. Well, when both Jen and I tested, and we like to consider ourselves fairly

[00:43:54] young, healthy adults who take relatively good care of ourselves. But Jen had less than one third of the minimum recommended level of NAD. I had about half of the recommended level

[00:44:10] of NAD. So even if we would raise both of our NAD levels by 40%, we would still be below optimum. And what you do at Genfinity is focus on getting those levels to optimal levels through testing

[00:44:27] and retesting, and also providing the correct dosage. And I know that based on how deficient people in our country are in certain micronutrients like vitamin D, like NAD, taking a suboptimal supplement is not going to do the trick. And Dr. Shi, when you said if you were

[00:44:48] in charge of government, you'd be providing vitamin D to everybody, I think that you should be in charge of government because I think that everybody would be getting a lot better supplementation and nutrition provided to them because it is these fairly simple things that

[00:45:05] are relatively inexpensive compared to a lot of other places that we spend our money as a society in healthcare that can really make profound differences in people's lives. So, I also appreciate, along with the supplements that you just listed off, as a part of your Tau

[00:45:28] approach, you really preach the holistic style of focusing also on nutrition, movement, sleep, stress, and exposure to harmful toxins and stuff. So, really focusing on it all and finding ways to help people optimize their health. Yeah, I guess I'm not going to get into politics.

[00:45:55] Oh, come on! Come on, Dr. Shi! We need more people like you! What I say is I tell the politicians, well, the people who are in politics that we can spend our taxpayer money in a much more wise way. Currently, we spend a huge chunk of our

[00:46:24] healthcare, which shouldn't be called healthcare by the way, it's a sick care system. A huge chunk of the sick care budget is spent on the last week or month of our lives. That's a wrong focus.

[00:46:48] I understand that we don't want to die in the last week or last four or five weeks of our life, but we shouldn't really shift our focus from taking care of the very sick people. I mean,

[00:47:05] we want to take care of them obviously, but if you shift the focus, the money, the attention to prevention of getting sick, we would have so much more money to get everyone on a healthy status. We need more science, but we know enough about the science,

[00:47:34] but we are not making the right choices as a society. If we can change that, we will have a much healthier population and we'll have a happier population. That's what I would like to say. Unfortunately, I'm not in a position to do it. I can only

[00:47:59] preach to people, pay attention to your own health and maybe reconsider how you budget your money and spend a little more on taking care of your own body from the inside instead of some other choices that may not be as important. I also understand it's a personal decision.

[00:48:34] From my own experience, what's more important to me now is how to stay in shape internally and externally and how I can try to help as many people as I can by doing things that I really

[00:48:53] enjoy doing. Yeah, and I think something that I've always thought about too, it's like, especially being a woman who got pregnant and has a baby, there's always the thought of like, well,

[00:49:06] how can I optimize my health to take care of myself during this time when I'm growing life? But I wish the intent was also outside of that, outside of just when I'm pregnant and what I need

[00:49:19] to be taking. But always, because now that you do have a life, it's now how am I taking care of myself so I can continue to thrive for my child and show them what an example of living for your

[00:49:34] life really looks like? And I know that's something that Dom and I are very much in the mindset of not just how can I take care of myself, but how can I take care of myself so I can always play

[00:49:45] with my kids, so I can think about my future grandkids and picking them up and babysitting and being active forever. So it's what are we doing not only for ourselves, but for the future generations after us to continue to live and thrive with them as well?

[00:50:03] Absolutely. As parents, our actions set examples for our children. If we make the right choices, our children are more likely to make the right choices as well. And that's one of the unfortunate but beautiful things about health is that it's a generational

[00:50:23] battle. It's a generational education that we need to continue to start with ourselves and start with our generation so that our next generation of children coming in can be slightly better off and better understand how to take care of their bodies and optimize their health.

[00:50:41] And Dr. Shi, what you're doing, the research you're doing, and what you're doing at GINfinity is absolutely incredible. Thank you for helping Jen and I experience a little bit of it where we

[00:50:52] continue to be excited to take the supplement. If anybody has interest in checking out any of the tests or products on the GINfinity site, you can use code optimal20 and that'll get you 20% off. And also in collaboration with GINfinity, we're doing a massive giveaway that's this week

[00:51:12] only. So if you're listening to the podcast live, you want to go down to the show notes and make sure you get into that. It's just your name and email. That's how you enter to get into that

[00:51:23] giveaway. We're going to be announcing the winners on Friday, September 15th. So make sure you check all that out. And Dr. Shi, again, thank you so much for your time. It's been a joy chatting with

[00:51:34] you and we can't wait to continue to take your products. Thank you very much. And I wish you both the best. Thank you. Thanks so much for sticking around. Dr. Shi has so much information

[00:51:48] and it's really cool to actually learn this stuff. I was kind of skeptical when I first heard about NAD and it's really that impactful and is it really that great? But then after experiencing

[00:51:58] it within my own body, it's crazy. Again, you can go to the link in our show notes, go to GINfinity, use code optimal20 to get 20% off any of their products, but also enter the giveaway. If you're

[00:52:10] listening right now, we're choosing winners on Friday, September 15th. All you have to do is click the link, enter your name and email, and you're going to be entered into winning incredible prizes. And I hope you get in and don't miss out.