Welcome to a deep dive into the latest advancements and discussions in manual and manipulative therapy.
We explore key insights and highlights from the upcoming AAOPMT conference, featuring expert guests and groundbreaking techniques that are shaping the future of physical therapy.
Key Points Discussed:
Overview of the AAOMPT Conference and its significance in the field of manual therapy.
In-depth discussion on the latest advancements in manual and manipulative therapy.
Insights from expert guests on their presentations and research.
Practical techniques and case studies that therapists can apply in their practice.
Future trends and innovations in the field of physical therapy.
00:00:03 --> 00:00:04 Well, hello everyone.
00:00:04 --> 00:00:05 I'm Derek Cluley.
00:00:05 --> 00:00:07 I am the host of Hands On
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00:00:09 --> 00:00:10 I've been the host of Hands
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00:00:30 --> 00:00:32 And more exciting is that I
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00:00:47 --> 00:00:48 We have no idea where this
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00:01:23 --> 00:01:24 Good, Derek.
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00:01:25 --> 00:01:25 Yeah, absolutely.
00:01:26 --> 00:01:27 Well, you're having me too.
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00:01:56 --> 00:01:56 So Megan,
00:01:56 --> 00:01:57 I'm going to kick it back to you
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00:01:59 --> 00:02:01 Well, I'll take it for now.
00:02:01 --> 00:02:03 So Megan Donaldson,
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00:02:04 --> 00:02:07 I'm also a department chair
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00:02:42 --> 00:02:43 Amy, how about you?
00:02:44 --> 00:02:44 All right.
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00:02:45 --> 00:02:49 So Amy McDevitt, I am a member at large.
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00:03:04 --> 00:03:05 We always hope that we don't
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00:03:10 --> 00:03:12 I am an associate professor
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00:03:46 --> 00:03:46 Absolutely.
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00:04:00 --> 00:04:02 I'm an assistant professor
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00:04:05 --> 00:04:06 I've been a physical therapist for,
00:04:07 --> 00:04:08 you know how when you
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00:04:12 --> 00:04:13 I think it starts out like
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00:04:24 --> 00:04:26 I think I'm in that category now.
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00:04:33 --> 00:04:35 I do serve a little bit of
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00:05:49 --> 00:05:50 Yeah and Derek you've done a
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00:07:14 --> 00:07:17 the mission for the Centers for
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00:08:30 --> 00:08:31 Yeah, Amy,
00:08:31 --> 00:08:32 I'm glad you brought that up
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00:08:40 --> 00:08:41 The majority of our
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00:09:39 --> 00:09:39 I think that's great.
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00:09:41 --> 00:09:43 uh, for all of us, those were our roots.
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00:09:59 --> 00:10:00 It's not just necessarily
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00:10:05 --> 00:10:05 I think there's a lot of
00:10:06 --> 00:10:07 different avenues that we
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00:10:10 --> 00:10:12 diversity of speakers to
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00:10:14 --> 00:10:15 And Amy,
00:10:15 --> 00:10:16 I love the fact that we even went
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00:10:26 --> 00:10:27 I think it makes us better.
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00:10:33 --> 00:10:34 because this medium allows
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00:10:37 --> 00:10:38 can you make the week work?
00:10:38 --> 00:10:39 Can you travel?
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00:10:40 --> 00:10:41 you know, leave your family,
00:10:41 --> 00:10:42 because I mean, let's be honest,
00:10:42 --> 00:10:43 if we're really looking at
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00:10:47 --> 00:10:48 it has to fit in our life.
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00:10:50 --> 00:10:52 ways to do that, whether you're a mom,
00:10:52 --> 00:10:54 a dad or whatever, you know,
00:10:54 --> 00:10:54 you got to make sure that
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00:10:56 --> 00:10:58 this is a great medium for
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00:11:01 --> 00:11:02 with some flexibility, right.
00:11:02 --> 00:11:03 That bring that
00:11:03 --> 00:11:04 international flavor
00:11:04 --> 00:11:06 experience expertise.
00:11:07 --> 00:11:07 Um, and to me,
00:11:07 --> 00:11:10 this is a priority because it helps our,
00:11:10 --> 00:11:10 our professional
00:11:10 --> 00:11:12 development of all of our, our members.
00:11:13 --> 00:11:13 Um,
00:11:13 --> 00:11:15 and so obviously carrying kind of that
00:11:15 --> 00:11:17 international feel with a
00:11:17 --> 00:11:20 little bit of a hometown grown feel, um,
00:11:20 --> 00:11:22 by having some of the, uh,
00:11:22 --> 00:11:23 the locals that they know
00:11:23 --> 00:11:25 of AOM doing some of the facilitating.
00:11:26 --> 00:11:26 And Megan,
00:11:26 --> 00:11:27 I want to say I really
00:11:27 --> 00:11:28 appreciate the fact that
00:11:28 --> 00:11:29 you're putting yourself out
00:11:29 --> 00:11:30 there as the person who's
00:11:30 --> 00:11:31 going to interview the
00:11:31 --> 00:11:33 international speakers at 2, 3,
00:11:33 --> 00:11:34 4 o'clock in the morning.
00:11:34 --> 00:11:37 I think your commitment is
00:11:37 --> 00:11:38 just unbelievable.
00:11:38 --> 00:11:39 I really appreciate the fact
00:11:39 --> 00:11:40 that you put that out there
00:11:41 --> 00:11:44 to be the front runner in
00:11:44 --> 00:11:45 doing those late night interviews.
00:11:46 --> 00:11:48 I'm just not sure.
00:11:48 --> 00:11:49 Yeah.
00:11:49 --> 00:11:51 Isn't Amy our international traveler?
00:11:51 --> 00:11:51 I mean,
00:11:52 --> 00:11:55 I really feel like I should give this up.
00:11:55 --> 00:11:56 I mean, like, you know,
00:11:56 --> 00:11:59 I feel like this is really your space,
00:11:59 --> 00:11:59 Amy.
00:11:59 --> 00:12:02 You know, I'm excited to just, you know,
00:12:03 --> 00:12:04 watch you grow in that platform.
00:12:04 --> 00:12:05 So, you know,
00:12:05 --> 00:12:07 feel free to take those early
00:12:07 --> 00:12:08 morning calls.
00:12:09 --> 00:12:10 Mountain time is probably
00:12:10 --> 00:12:12 the most flexible time.
00:12:12 --> 00:12:13 Is that right?
00:12:13 --> 00:12:14 But I agree, like, you know,
00:12:14 --> 00:12:15 the international side.
00:12:15 --> 00:12:16 But you could also do, like,
00:12:16 --> 00:12:18 the early morning instead
00:12:18 --> 00:12:20 of the late evening for those recordings.
00:12:20 --> 00:12:23 But speaking of international, I just,
00:12:23 --> 00:12:26 because I know our, and I don't know,
00:12:27 --> 00:12:28 so for our listeners out there right now,
00:12:29 --> 00:12:29 which right now we
00:12:29 --> 00:12:31 currently have none because
00:12:31 --> 00:12:32 this is our very first recording,
00:12:32 --> 00:12:34 so we're just saying this in this moment.
00:12:35 --> 00:12:36 but hopefully as we do this
00:12:37 --> 00:12:38 launch this out we will
00:12:38 --> 00:12:40 actually have um listeners
00:12:40 --> 00:12:41 and we'll see when this one
00:12:41 --> 00:12:42 actually gets pushed out
00:12:42 --> 00:12:43 there but when we're
00:12:43 --> 00:12:45 recording this right now on
00:12:45 --> 00:12:47 june 17th is that right I
00:12:47 --> 00:12:49 think it is june 17th and
00:12:49 --> 00:12:50 um I would imagine that
00:12:50 --> 00:12:52 this will get published um
00:12:52 --> 00:12:54 after the big event that's
00:12:54 --> 00:12:56 coming up in early july and
00:12:56 --> 00:12:58 megan you spoke to this
00:12:58 --> 00:12:59 just a couple minutes ago
00:12:59 --> 00:13:00 about the international
00:13:00 --> 00:13:01 presence and the
00:13:01 --> 00:13:03 international um you know a
00:13:03 --> 00:13:05 appreciation that we have.
00:13:06 --> 00:13:08 So, you know,
00:13:08 --> 00:13:10 besides the Taylor Swift
00:13:10 --> 00:13:12 concert that I think you
00:13:12 --> 00:13:13 may be going to or not,
00:13:13 --> 00:13:14 what else are you excited
00:13:14 --> 00:13:18 about this iFOMT expedition
00:13:18 --> 00:13:19 that we're going to be headed out to?
00:13:19 --> 00:13:21 And I think maybe your first iFOMT, right?
00:13:23 --> 00:13:24 Yeah, this is my first iFOMT.
00:13:24 --> 00:13:26 So I'm just timing of the other ones.
00:13:26 --> 00:13:27 I was never able to make it.
00:13:27 --> 00:13:27 So
00:13:28 --> 00:13:29 I'm really excited about this.
00:13:29 --> 00:13:31 So, um, you know, I think what's,
00:13:32 --> 00:13:34 so let's put, let's put it into context.
00:13:34 --> 00:13:37 So similar to AOMT, right.
00:13:37 --> 00:13:38 It's multiple days.
00:13:38 --> 00:13:39 There's some early sessions,
00:13:39 --> 00:13:40 like there's some optional
00:13:40 --> 00:13:41 things to join into,
00:13:41 --> 00:13:42 and then they do a little
00:13:42 --> 00:13:43 bit of a celebration.
00:13:43 --> 00:13:44 So that's all really similar.
00:13:45 --> 00:13:48 Um, there's a teaching, um, seminar.
00:13:48 --> 00:13:48 So again,
00:13:48 --> 00:13:49 for those who are kind of in the
00:13:50 --> 00:13:52 education space, mentors, um,
00:13:52 --> 00:13:54 maybe serving other fellows, right.
00:13:54 --> 00:13:55 Those are opportunities to
00:13:55 --> 00:13:56 plug into those other.
00:13:57 --> 00:13:58 who are doing that across the world.
00:13:59 --> 00:14:00 So that's really kind of cool.
00:14:01 --> 00:14:02 There's rich conferencing.
00:14:02 --> 00:14:03 I mean, again,
00:14:03 --> 00:14:04 I think the biggest thing
00:14:04 --> 00:14:06 for me is this is a networking event.
00:14:08 --> 00:14:09 Internationally.
00:14:09 --> 00:14:11 So what the expectations are,
00:14:12 --> 00:14:14 I think it can be as much
00:14:14 --> 00:14:16 as you want or as little as you want.
00:14:16 --> 00:14:17 It just depends on how much
00:14:17 --> 00:14:18 you want to engage in those things.
00:14:18 --> 00:14:19 So to me,
00:14:20 --> 00:14:21 this is a space that we're taking
00:14:21 --> 00:14:23 our board and we're ready
00:14:23 --> 00:14:24 to go and meet and talk
00:14:24 --> 00:14:25 with people and really
00:14:25 --> 00:14:27 figure out best ways so we
00:14:27 --> 00:14:28 can work together and
00:14:29 --> 00:14:31 leverage manual therapy on this platform
00:14:32 --> 00:14:33 internationally so that
00:14:33 --> 00:14:34 people really do get a
00:14:34 --> 00:14:36 sense of what this is.
00:14:36 --> 00:14:38 And kind of again,
00:14:38 --> 00:14:40 going back to what CMAT was there to do,
00:14:40 --> 00:14:42 it's it's to remove the misnomers.
00:14:42 --> 00:14:44 It's the misinformation that
00:14:44 --> 00:14:45 has been out there
00:14:46 --> 00:14:47 We need to talk about this
00:14:47 --> 00:14:49 as a great viable option.
00:14:49 --> 00:14:49 And, you know,
00:14:49 --> 00:14:52 I think the pendulum swings pretty good,
00:14:53 --> 00:14:54 especially in orthopedics
00:14:54 --> 00:14:55 and PT specifically.
00:14:55 --> 00:14:57 But within orthopedics, right,
00:14:57 --> 00:14:59 we've kind of gone to this exercise,
00:14:59 --> 00:15:00 pain science,
00:15:00 --> 00:15:02 and we've kind of forgotten
00:15:02 --> 00:15:02 a little bit about the
00:15:02 --> 00:15:03 benefit of manual therapy
00:15:04 --> 00:15:05 or it's been criticized.
00:15:05 --> 00:15:06 So this is a really nice
00:15:06 --> 00:15:07 place because the U.S.
00:15:07 --> 00:15:09 has stand pretty firm and we
00:15:09 --> 00:15:09 still believe in those
00:15:10 --> 00:15:11 supports and the multimodal approach.
00:15:11 --> 00:15:13 So to be able to go out there, you know,
00:15:14 --> 00:15:14 when I say out there,
00:15:14 --> 00:15:16 I'm saying Switzerland.
00:15:17 --> 00:15:18 We're going to Switzerland
00:15:18 --> 00:15:19 and we're going to have
00:15:19 --> 00:15:20 these conversations and
00:15:20 --> 00:15:22 with researchers and speakers.
00:15:23 --> 00:15:24 And yeah,
00:15:24 --> 00:15:25 I can't I really couldn't be more
00:15:25 --> 00:15:26 excited for what we get to do.
00:15:27 --> 00:15:27 So Megan,
00:15:27 --> 00:15:28 aren't you excited that we're
00:15:28 --> 00:15:29 going with Amy though?
00:15:29 --> 00:15:30 Because I actually feel like
00:15:30 --> 00:15:31 Amy's are going to be our
00:15:32 --> 00:15:33 traveling mom because I
00:15:33 --> 00:15:34 have absolutely no freaking
00:15:35 --> 00:15:36 idea what to do.
00:15:36 --> 00:15:39 I've been to Jamaica and
00:15:39 --> 00:15:40 I've been to Canada.
00:15:40 --> 00:15:41 And when I say Canada,
00:15:41 --> 00:15:43 I've been to Beaver Creek, Yukon,
00:15:44 --> 00:15:46 Yukon territory, not just like Toronto.
00:15:46 --> 00:15:48 Like I truly have been in Canada,
00:15:48 --> 00:15:49 but that's it.
00:15:49 --> 00:15:51 Like that's my international traveling.
00:15:51 --> 00:15:51 Right.
00:15:51 --> 00:15:53 So I'm super happy to have
00:15:53 --> 00:15:55 Amy advice for us.
00:15:55 --> 00:15:55 Like,
00:15:56 --> 00:15:57 You know,
00:15:57 --> 00:15:58 we don't do anything stupid and you know,
00:15:59 --> 00:15:59 or what.
00:16:00 --> 00:16:02 I'm happy to be your guide.
00:16:02 --> 00:16:04 I, uh, yeah, I'm excited.
00:16:04 --> 00:16:05 I love traveling
00:16:05 --> 00:16:06 internationally and here we go again.
00:16:06 --> 00:16:07 I just got back from an
00:16:07 --> 00:16:08 international trip and I'm,
00:16:08 --> 00:16:09 I actually just left the
00:16:09 --> 00:16:10 suitcase open and pulled
00:16:10 --> 00:16:11 out the essentials cause
00:16:11 --> 00:16:13 I'm packing it back up again in a week.
00:16:15 --> 00:16:16 But it'll be great.
00:16:16 --> 00:16:17 And I went to the iPhone
00:16:17 --> 00:16:18 conference in Glasgow,
00:16:19 --> 00:16:21 which was... Were you there, Derek?
00:16:21 --> 00:16:23 No, but I was looking at that.
00:16:23 --> 00:16:24 Wasn't that like seven years ago,
00:16:24 --> 00:16:25 eight years ago now?
00:16:25 --> 00:16:27 Because we had a COVID break.
00:16:27 --> 00:16:29 I can't remember the exact year,
00:16:29 --> 00:16:31 but it was really interesting.
00:16:31 --> 00:16:32 I think one of the things I enjoy about it,
00:16:32 --> 00:16:33 and hopefully we can bring
00:16:33 --> 00:16:34 some of this back to...
00:16:35 --> 00:16:37 the podcast is just learning
00:16:37 --> 00:16:38 about what's happening in other countries,
00:16:39 --> 00:16:40 what's current, what's contemporary.
00:16:40 --> 00:16:42 And also what I think is
00:16:42 --> 00:16:44 important is learning how
00:16:44 --> 00:16:45 to kind of cater to
00:16:45 --> 00:16:47 different populations of people.
00:16:47 --> 00:16:48 So we'll be privy to
00:16:48 --> 00:16:50 presentations from people
00:16:50 --> 00:16:52 representing countries all
00:16:52 --> 00:16:53 over the world.
00:16:53 --> 00:16:54 And it's just really
00:16:54 --> 00:16:56 fascinating to hear how
00:16:56 --> 00:16:58 manual therapy is slightly
00:16:58 --> 00:17:01 different or it's modified
00:17:01 --> 00:17:03 and what ideas come from
00:17:03 --> 00:17:04 not just researchers,
00:17:04 --> 00:17:06 but clinicians in other countries.
00:17:06 --> 00:17:07 And so I'm excited to bring
00:17:07 --> 00:17:08 some of that back.
00:17:08 --> 00:17:08 And, you know,
00:17:08 --> 00:17:10 maybe there's some speakers that we're,
00:17:11 --> 00:17:11 you know,
00:17:11 --> 00:17:14 lucky enough to hear at iPhone
00:17:14 --> 00:17:14 so that we can think about
00:17:14 --> 00:17:16 bringing to the podcast.
00:17:16 --> 00:17:17 So I think we're also there
00:17:17 --> 00:17:17 on a little bit of a
00:17:17 --> 00:17:19 fact-finding mission to
00:17:19 --> 00:17:20 bring some really cool
00:17:20 --> 00:17:21 information back to our
00:17:21 --> 00:17:23 membership and our listeners.
00:17:23 --> 00:17:24 So I'm excited about that too.
00:17:25 --> 00:17:26 So it's not just backfinding.
00:17:26 --> 00:17:28 I can speak specifically,
00:17:28 --> 00:17:30 we are getting mics and
00:17:30 --> 00:17:31 Derek and I have to figure
00:17:31 --> 00:17:32 out how to use these mics
00:17:33 --> 00:17:33 and we are going to go
00:17:33 --> 00:17:36 navigate wherever we are to
00:17:36 --> 00:17:37 go and have live
00:17:37 --> 00:17:39 conversations and bring it back.
00:17:39 --> 00:17:41 So like, well, we're going all in on this.
00:17:42 --> 00:17:43 Yeah, we're all in.
00:17:43 --> 00:17:45 I hope I don't get in the
00:17:45 --> 00:17:46 security lines and customs
00:17:46 --> 00:17:48 and they think that I'm some spy.
00:17:48 --> 00:17:51 Um, if you don't see me ever again,
00:17:51 --> 00:17:52 somebody thought I was a spy.
00:17:52 --> 00:17:54 And so obviously with my
00:17:54 --> 00:17:55 mics or whatever else is be in my bag,
00:17:55 --> 00:17:56 but Amy,
00:17:57 --> 00:17:58 We're not on a fact-finding.
00:17:58 --> 00:17:59 We're going to find him and
00:17:59 --> 00:18:01 we're going to interview him.
00:18:01 --> 00:18:03 Real live time.
00:18:03 --> 00:18:04 It's an implementation prep.
00:18:05 --> 00:18:05 That's right.
00:18:06 --> 00:18:08 They are little creepy mics.
00:18:08 --> 00:18:09 I think they're little fuzzy
00:18:09 --> 00:18:10 feathered mics that we're
00:18:10 --> 00:18:11 supposed to wear on our
00:18:11 --> 00:18:13 shirts and I think talk to
00:18:14 --> 00:18:16 people and get information.
00:18:16 --> 00:18:17 I kind of think I'm a spy.
00:18:17 --> 00:18:18 You look like a spy.
00:18:19 --> 00:18:21 So Derek, what...
00:18:24 --> 00:18:26 What are some of the, Derek and Megan,
00:18:26 --> 00:18:29 what are some of the ideas
00:18:29 --> 00:18:29 that we want to share with
00:18:30 --> 00:18:30 listeners about some of the
00:18:30 --> 00:18:31 speakers that we might be
00:18:31 --> 00:18:33 bringing forward in the
00:18:33 --> 00:18:36 next part of 2024?
00:18:36 --> 00:18:39 Do we want to talk about any
00:18:39 --> 00:18:41 categories of things we're
00:18:41 --> 00:18:42 going to be talking about?
00:18:42 --> 00:18:43 Or maybe what are some of
00:18:43 --> 00:18:45 our goals in terms of
00:18:46 --> 00:18:47 engaging with different speakers?
00:18:47 --> 00:18:48 I know we talked a little
00:18:48 --> 00:18:49 bit about that already,
00:18:49 --> 00:18:50 but what do we want to
00:18:50 --> 00:18:51 share with people without
00:18:53 --> 00:18:54 know totally spoiling
00:18:54 --> 00:18:56 spoiling it well I'll give
00:18:56 --> 00:18:57 big categories kind of like
00:18:57 --> 00:18:59 the big overarching thing
00:18:59 --> 00:19:00 so like in our in our
00:19:00 --> 00:19:01 strategic plan right we
00:19:01 --> 00:19:03 have key enablers that kind
00:19:03 --> 00:19:04 of make everything work
00:19:04 --> 00:19:05 that we do um and when we
00:19:05 --> 00:19:06 think about that it's
00:19:06 --> 00:19:08 leadership it's education
00:19:08 --> 00:19:09 and it's advocacy and I
00:19:09 --> 00:19:11 would almost suggest you
00:19:11 --> 00:19:12 know the research piece in
00:19:12 --> 00:19:14 that kind of transcends it
00:19:14 --> 00:19:15 kind of goes across
00:19:15 --> 00:19:16 multiple like it could be
00:19:16 --> 00:19:17 an educational piece right
00:19:17 --> 00:19:18 just how the clinical
00:19:18 --> 00:19:19 pearls and those kind of things
00:19:20 --> 00:19:20 But really,
00:19:20 --> 00:19:22 those are the three big overarching aims.
00:19:22 --> 00:19:23 Like, right,
00:19:23 --> 00:19:24 we're trying to lead and grow
00:19:24 --> 00:19:26 as an organization and be
00:19:26 --> 00:19:27 the front leader.
00:19:27 --> 00:19:28 In order to do that,
00:19:28 --> 00:19:29 we have to have enriched
00:19:29 --> 00:19:31 membership that just really
00:19:31 --> 00:19:31 feel connected.
00:19:32 --> 00:19:33 And with these speakers,
00:19:33 --> 00:19:34 we feel that that will happen.
00:19:35 --> 00:19:36 You know, from an other perspective,
00:19:36 --> 00:19:38 which is the education side, I mean,
00:19:38 --> 00:19:40 I think we have great topics, right?
00:19:40 --> 00:19:42 Pertinent topics about manual therapy,
00:19:42 --> 00:19:44 integrating manual therapy across,
00:19:44 --> 00:19:46 you know, multiple populations,
00:19:46 --> 00:19:48 whether I even saw some of the lists like
00:19:48 --> 00:19:49 We were thinking about,
00:19:49 --> 00:19:50 do we bring some pelvic health in here?
00:19:50 --> 00:19:51 Women's health, right?
00:19:51 --> 00:19:53 So some of those pieces and
00:19:53 --> 00:19:55 topics would have a really nice platform,
00:19:55 --> 00:19:57 which is just contemporary practice.
00:19:57 --> 00:19:59 And then the last is advocacy.
00:19:59 --> 00:20:00 And I have to say guys,
00:20:01 --> 00:20:02 the more I'm at the main
00:20:02 --> 00:20:03 level of leadership and
00:20:03 --> 00:20:05 interfacing both nationally
00:20:05 --> 00:20:06 and internationally,
00:20:06 --> 00:20:08 we have to be an advocate
00:20:08 --> 00:20:09 for the science and the
00:20:09 --> 00:20:10 practice of manual therapy.
00:20:10 --> 00:20:11 We have to,
00:20:11 --> 00:20:13 and this is the platform that
00:20:13 --> 00:20:14 it has to be at because
00:20:15 --> 00:20:17 not just on our conference, which is these,
00:20:17 --> 00:20:17 you know,
00:20:17 --> 00:20:19 days together and we feel so
00:20:19 --> 00:20:19 good because we're all
00:20:19 --> 00:20:21 together and it's a little
00:20:21 --> 00:20:22 bit kumbaya to be honest, right?
00:20:22 --> 00:20:23 It's our family,
00:20:23 --> 00:20:25 but it's when we leave each other,
00:20:25 --> 00:20:26 how do we keep the synergy
00:20:26 --> 00:20:27 and how do we keep
00:20:27 --> 00:20:28 advancing the profession?
00:20:28 --> 00:20:30 And, you know, Twitter's got a place,
00:20:30 --> 00:20:31 all the other social media
00:20:31 --> 00:20:32 things have a place,
00:20:33 --> 00:20:33 but how do we stay
00:20:34 --> 00:20:34 connected where we can
00:20:34 --> 00:20:36 follow thought leaders more
00:20:36 --> 00:20:38 than in a snippet that can
00:20:38 --> 00:20:39 be misinterpreted, right?
00:20:39 --> 00:20:40 I mean, more than something,
00:20:41 --> 00:20:42 This is a great forum for that.
00:20:42 --> 00:20:43 So we've aligned some of
00:20:43 --> 00:20:45 those speakers on those categories.
00:20:46 --> 00:20:47 And so I'm excited about that.
00:20:48 --> 00:20:48 I love that.
00:20:49 --> 00:20:49 Yeah.
00:20:49 --> 00:20:51 And to jump in there,
00:20:51 --> 00:20:52 I'm also excited that,
00:20:52 --> 00:20:54 I don't know if we've mentioned this,
00:20:54 --> 00:20:57 but a lot of this, Megan, Amy, and I,
00:20:57 --> 00:20:59 at least I'll speak for me,
00:20:59 --> 00:21:01 I don't know a whole lot
00:21:01 --> 00:21:02 about podcasting.
00:21:03 --> 00:21:04 We launched the hands-on,
00:21:04 --> 00:21:05 hands-off podcast,
00:21:05 --> 00:21:06 and I think we've done an
00:21:06 --> 00:21:07 okay job with that.
00:21:07 --> 00:21:09 But we have brought in Jimmy
00:21:09 --> 00:21:12 McKay and his team to help us with this.
00:21:12 --> 00:21:13 And I think that that is
00:21:13 --> 00:21:15 what I am most excited
00:21:15 --> 00:21:17 about because I think he's
00:21:17 --> 00:21:19 going to really supercharge
00:21:19 --> 00:21:21 what we're going to do and
00:21:21 --> 00:21:23 really help us bring something that's,
00:21:24 --> 00:21:25 you know, a little bit more
00:21:26 --> 00:21:27 more exciting, a little bit different.
00:21:27 --> 00:21:28 And actually before we even
00:21:28 --> 00:21:30 got on and started recording this show,
00:21:30 --> 00:21:31 we were having all kinds of
00:21:31 --> 00:21:32 fun playing around with the
00:21:32 --> 00:21:33 stream yard thing that
00:21:33 --> 00:21:34 we're working with.
00:21:34 --> 00:21:37 And I think that's all part
00:21:37 --> 00:21:40 of the fun of us learning
00:21:40 --> 00:21:42 how to better engage and
00:21:42 --> 00:21:43 interact with some of these
00:21:43 --> 00:21:45 people that we're going to be bringing on,
00:21:45 --> 00:21:46 because I'm sure that we've
00:21:46 --> 00:21:47 all heard podcasts.
00:21:48 --> 00:21:48 It doesn't matter how great
00:21:48 --> 00:21:49 the guests can be.
00:21:50 --> 00:21:51 if we're not doing a good
00:21:51 --> 00:21:53 job of engaging that individual,
00:21:53 --> 00:21:54 then it may not be
00:21:54 --> 00:21:55 pertinent to the listener.
00:21:56 --> 00:21:56 So I think that's going to
00:21:56 --> 00:21:58 be a fun and exciting thing.
00:21:58 --> 00:21:58 And just, you know,
00:21:59 --> 00:22:00 your question about like
00:22:00 --> 00:22:01 what kinds of topics and
00:22:01 --> 00:22:02 things that we're going to
00:22:02 --> 00:22:03 be bringing in.
00:22:03 --> 00:22:03 I mean,
00:22:03 --> 00:22:05 I'm just looking down some of the
00:22:05 --> 00:22:06 lineups here, you know,
00:22:06 --> 00:22:09 just talking about everything from,
00:22:10 --> 00:22:12 you know, careers in manual therapy.
00:22:13 --> 00:22:14 To Megan's point,
00:22:14 --> 00:22:15 some of the more
00:22:15 --> 00:22:17 interesting things where
00:22:17 --> 00:22:19 manual therapy can be put
00:22:19 --> 00:22:20 into manual therapy and
00:22:20 --> 00:22:22 sports manual therapy and pediatrics,
00:22:22 --> 00:22:25 other sorts of approaches, and then,
00:22:25 --> 00:22:26 you know,
00:22:26 --> 00:22:27 myth busting and all kinds of
00:22:27 --> 00:22:29 fun things that I think
00:22:29 --> 00:22:29 we'll be able to do.
00:22:29 --> 00:22:32 And, you know, from there, you know,
00:22:33 --> 00:22:35 selecting the right guest for that.
00:22:35 --> 00:22:36 But then I also think too,
00:22:36 --> 00:22:38 we'll also have guests who
00:22:39 --> 00:22:42 will probably let us evolve
00:22:42 --> 00:22:43 a little bit of what we're
00:22:43 --> 00:22:44 talking about in addition to that.
00:22:44 --> 00:22:45 That's one of the things
00:22:45 --> 00:22:47 that we did at the Centers
00:22:47 --> 00:22:48 for Excellence in Manual
00:22:48 --> 00:22:49 Manipulative Therapy.
00:22:49 --> 00:22:50 And I don't think it worked
00:22:50 --> 00:22:51 as well as it's going to,
00:22:51 --> 00:22:52 because I think we're going
00:22:52 --> 00:22:54 to get some good advice on from Jimmy,
00:22:54 --> 00:22:55 but having some themes,
00:22:55 --> 00:22:57 but obviously we need to have, you know,
00:22:57 --> 00:22:57 some big
00:22:57 --> 00:22:58 some big stars we're gonna
00:22:58 --> 00:22:59 have a lot of heavy hitters
00:22:59 --> 00:23:01 I think you know with the
00:23:01 --> 00:23:03 international opportunities
00:23:03 --> 00:23:03 and all of the
00:23:03 --> 00:23:04 international people that
00:23:04 --> 00:23:06 Amy will interview at 2 a.m
00:23:07 --> 00:23:08 we'll have some really good
00:23:08 --> 00:23:09 some really good guests as
00:23:09 --> 00:23:13 well and I love the
00:23:13 --> 00:23:14 platform with that because
00:23:14 --> 00:23:15 if you know Jimmy which
00:23:15 --> 00:23:16 right he's got that just
00:23:16 --> 00:23:17 that personality and that
00:23:18 --> 00:23:19 kind of get to know you
00:23:19 --> 00:23:20 person type and I love that
00:23:20 --> 00:23:21 about him and I think
00:23:21 --> 00:23:22 that's really nice about
00:23:22 --> 00:23:24 this platform too is that
00:23:24 --> 00:23:25 we can get to know each
00:23:25 --> 00:23:25 other a little bit
00:23:25 --> 00:23:27 differently just you know what
00:23:28 --> 00:23:29 what about them makes them a
00:23:29 --> 00:23:30 little more unique, right?
00:23:30 --> 00:23:32 Rather than just, oh,
00:23:32 --> 00:23:32 they're a researcher.
00:23:32 --> 00:23:33 Oh, they do that.
00:23:33 --> 00:23:35 Or, oh, I'm my bio, right?
00:23:35 --> 00:23:35 Like that's,
00:23:35 --> 00:23:37 I'm so much bigger than that
00:23:37 --> 00:23:37 and different than that.
00:23:37 --> 00:23:38 That's not even half the
00:23:38 --> 00:23:40 things that I want to talk about, right?
00:23:40 --> 00:23:42 But it is who it makes,
00:23:42 --> 00:23:44 it makes part of you, right?
00:23:44 --> 00:23:45 And so I'm looking forward
00:23:45 --> 00:23:46 to getting to know a little bit more
00:23:47 --> 00:23:48 about the people that we're
00:23:48 --> 00:23:49 going to speak to and, and, um,
00:23:50 --> 00:23:52 listening about their experiences, right.
00:23:52 --> 00:23:52 And,
00:23:52 --> 00:23:55 and what learned lessons our audience
00:23:55 --> 00:23:55 can learn from them,
00:23:56 --> 00:23:57 because like I learned so
00:23:57 --> 00:24:00 much by learning from others and honestly,
00:24:00 --> 00:24:01 the things that they wish
00:24:01 --> 00:24:02 they wouldn't have done or
00:24:02 --> 00:24:02 the things that they think
00:24:02 --> 00:24:03 they should have done better.
00:24:03 --> 00:24:05 Um, and that's a,
00:24:05 --> 00:24:06 it's a great space for us
00:24:06 --> 00:24:07 to engage in that too.
00:24:07 --> 00:24:09 I think they're kind of like the, you know,
00:24:09 --> 00:24:10 you brought this to conference.
00:24:11 --> 00:24:12 the PTI talks,
00:24:13 --> 00:24:15 I always loved those just
00:24:15 --> 00:24:18 because they allow people
00:24:18 --> 00:24:21 to get into somebody's life
00:24:21 --> 00:24:22 a little bit differently
00:24:22 --> 00:24:25 than just here's the
00:24:25 --> 00:24:26 research path that we took.
00:24:26 --> 00:24:27 And then it seems almost
00:24:27 --> 00:24:29 untouchable to a lot of folks.
00:24:29 --> 00:24:30 I think when people see that
00:24:32 --> 00:24:34 their journeys involve a lot of other
00:24:35 --> 00:24:36 very important parts of their lives,
00:24:37 --> 00:24:38 their families, their hobbies,
00:24:38 --> 00:24:39 and things like that.
00:24:39 --> 00:24:40 I think that that also makes
00:24:40 --> 00:24:41 it really fun and interesting.
00:24:41 --> 00:24:42 At least I think so.
00:24:43 --> 00:24:43 Yeah.
00:24:43 --> 00:24:43 Great.
00:24:44 --> 00:24:44 Hey, Derek,
00:24:44 --> 00:24:46 do you want to tell people a
00:24:46 --> 00:24:49 little bit about the hands-off, hands-on?
00:24:49 --> 00:24:51 Are we hands-on, hands-off, or hands-off,
00:24:51 --> 00:24:51 hands-off?
00:24:51 --> 00:24:52 Hands-on, hands-off.
00:24:52 --> 00:24:53 Hands-on first.
00:24:54 --> 00:24:54 There's a reason.
00:24:54 --> 00:24:55 Hands-on first, right.
00:24:56 --> 00:24:57 And then pull away.
00:24:57 --> 00:24:57 Yeah, all right.
00:24:57 --> 00:24:58 That makes sense.
00:24:59 --> 00:24:59 We're good.
00:25:00 --> 00:25:00 No,
00:25:00 --> 00:25:01 but I think it would be good to tell
00:25:01 --> 00:25:02 people a little bit about
00:25:03 --> 00:25:04 what's in a name.
00:25:05 --> 00:25:06 Yeah, no, that's a good.
00:25:07 --> 00:25:07 Well, gosh,
00:25:07 --> 00:25:09 we were going around and around
00:25:09 --> 00:25:11 and around about a name, weren't we?
00:25:11 --> 00:25:14 And I think when we when we
00:25:14 --> 00:25:15 had the hands on hands off
00:25:15 --> 00:25:16 podcast and when we were
00:25:16 --> 00:25:17 starting to talk about our
00:25:17 --> 00:25:19 name or talk about the strategic plan,
00:25:19 --> 00:25:20 I'm like, wait a minute,
00:25:20 --> 00:25:22 we're going to be saying the same thing.
00:25:22 --> 00:25:23 We're trying to do the same
00:25:23 --> 00:25:24 thing and we're speaking in parallel.
00:25:25 --> 00:25:26 So why don't we just put all
00:25:26 --> 00:25:27 of the energy into one thing?
00:25:28 --> 00:25:30 And so Hands on Hands Off
00:25:30 --> 00:25:31 podcast really was
00:25:32 --> 00:25:33 identified as a good name
00:25:33 --> 00:25:36 within the CMET because I
00:25:37 --> 00:25:38 think there's a lot of
00:25:39 --> 00:25:41 misinformation about manual therapy.
00:25:41 --> 00:25:43 And it drives me crazy
00:25:43 --> 00:25:44 sometimes when you see
00:25:44 --> 00:25:45 things about the misinformation.
00:25:45 --> 00:25:47 And it's a type of manual
00:25:47 --> 00:25:48 therapy that we would all
00:25:48 --> 00:25:49 probably agree maybe is wrong.
00:25:50 --> 00:25:51 is not necessarily the most appropriate.
00:25:52 --> 00:25:53 And so hands-on means that
00:25:53 --> 00:25:56 there is time that yes,
00:25:56 --> 00:25:58 that it is necessary to put
00:25:58 --> 00:25:59 our hands on patients.
00:26:00 --> 00:26:00 Um,
00:26:00 --> 00:26:03 but then there's also this component of
00:26:03 --> 00:26:05 manual therapy that, you know,
00:26:05 --> 00:26:07 we also don't need to put
00:26:07 --> 00:26:10 our hands on the patient to be effective.
00:26:10 --> 00:26:11 And, and I think that's one of the things,
00:26:12 --> 00:26:13 at least in my fellowship,
00:26:13 --> 00:26:13 when I talked through,
00:26:13 --> 00:26:15 talked to a lot of people
00:26:15 --> 00:26:16 who have gone through
00:26:16 --> 00:26:17 fellowship training,
00:26:17 --> 00:26:18 is that one of the things
00:26:19 --> 00:26:19 that they learn through
00:26:19 --> 00:26:20 fellowship training is more
00:26:20 --> 00:26:23 about when to put your
00:26:23 --> 00:26:25 hands on and when to take your hands off,
00:26:25 --> 00:26:25 right?
00:26:25 --> 00:26:26 And more often than not,
00:26:26 --> 00:26:28 you are taking your hands off,
00:26:29 --> 00:26:30 but you're still using and
00:26:30 --> 00:26:31 you're still effective with it.
00:26:31 --> 00:26:33 And so that's, I think,
00:26:33 --> 00:26:35 the idea behind the name is
00:26:35 --> 00:26:37 that manual therapists will
00:26:38 --> 00:26:40 put their hands on patients, but
00:26:40 --> 00:26:42 they will also spend a lot of their time.
00:26:42 --> 00:26:42 In fact,
00:26:42 --> 00:26:43 probably the majority of their
00:26:43 --> 00:26:45 time with their hands off of the patients,
00:26:45 --> 00:26:46 right.
00:26:46 --> 00:26:47 Doing all kinds of other things.
00:26:47 --> 00:26:49 And a part of that reasoning
00:26:50 --> 00:26:51 of going into when you put your hands on,
00:26:52 --> 00:26:52 when you take your hands
00:26:53 --> 00:26:54 off is part of the journey
00:26:54 --> 00:26:55 that we have all, um,
00:26:56 --> 00:26:57 evolved in and have grown
00:26:58 --> 00:26:58 through through our
00:26:59 --> 00:27:01 respective um programs and
00:27:01 --> 00:27:01 I think that that's
00:27:01 --> 00:27:02 something that we would all
00:27:02 --> 00:27:03 agree on so I think that
00:27:03 --> 00:27:04 that hands-on hands-off
00:27:05 --> 00:27:06 podcast name was very
00:27:07 --> 00:27:08 intentional because we
00:27:08 --> 00:27:09 wanted to make sure that
00:27:09 --> 00:27:10 there was times where we
00:27:10 --> 00:27:11 said yes it's appropriate
00:27:11 --> 00:27:12 for hands-on and then
00:27:12 --> 00:27:13 there's also times when
00:27:13 --> 00:27:14 it's appropriate that it
00:27:14 --> 00:27:16 may not be for yeah and I
00:27:16 --> 00:27:17 like that I think some of
00:27:17 --> 00:27:18 the misinformation out
00:27:18 --> 00:27:20 there is that we only do one thing
00:27:21 --> 00:27:22 know or that we we condone
00:27:22 --> 00:27:23 just just this one
00:27:23 --> 00:27:24 intervention which couldn't
00:27:24 --> 00:27:25 be further from the truth
00:27:25 --> 00:27:27 so I i love hearing you
00:27:27 --> 00:27:28 unpack that a little bit
00:27:28 --> 00:27:30 because I think you know
00:27:30 --> 00:27:31 we're also trying to um
00:27:32 --> 00:27:34 just improve our our
00:27:34 --> 00:27:35 branding or people's
00:27:35 --> 00:27:36 perception of what it is
00:27:36 --> 00:27:37 that we actually do and a
00:27:37 --> 00:27:38 huge component of that is
00:27:39 --> 00:27:40 therapeutic alliance and
00:27:40 --> 00:27:41 shared decision making
00:27:41 --> 00:27:42 motivational interviewing
00:27:42 --> 00:27:43 um you know all those other
00:27:44 --> 00:27:45 things that really are a
00:27:45 --> 00:27:46 hands-off component so
00:27:46 --> 00:27:47 thanks for giving us a
00:27:47 --> 00:27:48 little bit more of an explanation of that
00:27:49 --> 00:27:50 And I think that we've put
00:27:50 --> 00:27:52 that in those lineups too, right?
00:27:52 --> 00:27:53 How does that work in the
00:27:53 --> 00:27:55 building those relationships and,
00:27:55 --> 00:27:56 and person-centered care or
00:27:56 --> 00:27:57 patient-centered care?
00:27:57 --> 00:27:57 I mean,
00:27:58 --> 00:27:59 All of those components
00:27:59 --> 00:28:00 center around the patient.
00:28:00 --> 00:28:01 I mean, so,
00:28:01 --> 00:28:03 and sometimes patient preferences, right?
00:28:03 --> 00:28:03 I mean,
00:28:03 --> 00:28:05 if they think that that's something
00:28:05 --> 00:28:05 that's going to get them
00:28:05 --> 00:28:07 better and that's what
00:28:07 --> 00:28:07 they're looking for,
00:28:08 --> 00:28:10 then that's a great place to start.
00:28:10 --> 00:28:11 But then obviously usually
00:28:11 --> 00:28:12 reasoning and moving on.
00:28:12 --> 00:28:14 And I think the lineup helps
00:28:14 --> 00:28:15 us really kind of just
00:28:15 --> 00:28:17 convey the flexibility of a
00:28:17 --> 00:28:19 manual therapist who's gone through,
00:28:19 --> 00:28:20 especially for fellowship training.
00:28:20 --> 00:28:21 But it's not to say that
00:28:21 --> 00:28:22 fellowship training is the only thing.
00:28:23 --> 00:28:25 I just think it's a style, right?
00:28:25 --> 00:28:26 It's the way that our
00:28:26 --> 00:28:28 organization feels that manual therapy,
00:28:28 --> 00:28:30 when done at the highest level,
00:28:31 --> 00:28:33 it really integrates all of
00:28:33 --> 00:28:34 the pyramid or all of the
00:28:35 --> 00:28:37 stools or all the legs of
00:28:37 --> 00:28:39 the stool in order to
00:28:39 --> 00:28:40 really integrate it for the
00:28:40 --> 00:28:41 best outcome for the patient.
00:28:41 --> 00:28:43 And I think that's really important.
00:28:46 --> 00:28:46 Well said.
00:28:49 --> 00:28:51 know really derek is is the
00:28:51 --> 00:28:52 one doing it I'm just
00:28:52 --> 00:28:53 summarizing and you already
00:28:53 --> 00:28:54 obviously hit it too so
00:28:55 --> 00:28:56 three this is why we should
00:28:56 --> 00:28:57 just do all three together
00:28:57 --> 00:28:59 so derek needs to be pulled
00:28:59 --> 00:29:00 into these international
00:29:00 --> 00:29:02 3am meetings as well but
00:29:02 --> 00:29:03 he's probably running a
00:29:03 --> 00:29:04 track somewhere chasing his
00:29:05 --> 00:29:06 stellar kit I mean that's
00:29:06 --> 00:29:07 probably what's really
00:29:07 --> 00:29:11 happening there so no no
00:29:11 --> 00:29:12 I'm getting too old for
00:29:12 --> 00:29:14 those 3am runs it's like that that
00:29:15 --> 00:29:17 the knee arthritis starts to
00:29:17 --> 00:29:18 kick in I gotta grease the
00:29:18 --> 00:29:19 skis a little before I get
00:29:19 --> 00:29:25 running so well tell me this
00:29:26 --> 00:29:28 What do we get to think
00:29:28 --> 00:29:30 about in what's coming up
00:29:30 --> 00:29:32 in Orlando that you're most
00:29:32 --> 00:29:34 excited about for our own conference,
00:29:34 --> 00:29:34 right?
00:29:34 --> 00:29:36 Like we're not that far away.
00:29:36 --> 00:29:38 And Derek, things are opening up soon,
00:29:38 --> 00:29:38 right?
00:29:38 --> 00:29:40 Like, I mean, registration's starting up.
00:29:40 --> 00:29:41 I mean,
00:29:41 --> 00:29:42 we should do a whole show just on that.
00:29:42 --> 00:29:43 But just give me a little snippet,
00:29:44 --> 00:29:44 little snippet.
00:29:45 --> 00:29:46 What do you think is like
00:29:46 --> 00:29:47 the most exciting or what
00:29:47 --> 00:29:48 are you most excited about?
00:29:48 --> 00:29:49 Well,
00:29:49 --> 00:29:52 obviously when this podcast gets released,
00:29:53 --> 00:29:53 it's open.
00:29:53 --> 00:29:54 Registration is open.
00:29:54 --> 00:29:55 It's actually,
00:29:55 --> 00:29:55 you can go on the website
00:29:55 --> 00:29:56 and you can register.
00:29:57 --> 00:30:00 So we are super excited.
00:30:00 --> 00:30:02 One, we're in a really cool location.
00:30:02 --> 00:30:04 We're in Orlando.
00:30:04 --> 00:30:06 We're a really nice facility.
00:30:06 --> 00:30:07 The facility is exactly the
00:30:07 --> 00:30:09 type of facility that we want to be in.
00:30:10 --> 00:30:11 What I think AAMP does really well.
00:30:11 --> 00:30:12 And in those,
00:30:12 --> 00:30:14 those kind of spaces where
00:30:14 --> 00:30:15 everybody is together,
00:30:15 --> 00:30:16 like we're all in the same
00:30:16 --> 00:30:17 house together.
00:30:17 --> 00:30:19 And this is, it's a really nice space.
00:30:20 --> 00:30:21 You know, if you get a chance,
00:30:22 --> 00:30:24 book your room, the rate is amazing,
00:30:24 --> 00:30:25 you know, that kind of thing.
00:30:25 --> 00:30:27 So, so, so take time to come down.
00:30:27 --> 00:30:28 I think one of the things
00:30:28 --> 00:30:29 that I love about conferencing,
00:30:29 --> 00:30:31 especially because we're just, you know,
00:30:31 --> 00:30:33 we were pulling out now of a pandemic.
00:30:33 --> 00:30:34 we're all getting an
00:30:34 --> 00:30:36 opportunity to come back together.
00:30:36 --> 00:30:37 And it just shows and it proves how
00:30:38 --> 00:30:40 essential and how important
00:30:40 --> 00:30:42 it is for us to be together
00:30:42 --> 00:30:44 and so having a space like
00:30:44 --> 00:30:44 we're going to have is
00:30:44 --> 00:30:45 going to be absolutely
00:30:45 --> 00:30:46 incredible I've looked at
00:30:46 --> 00:30:47 pictures of it it's it's
00:30:48 --> 00:30:50 it's it's top top flight
00:30:50 --> 00:30:51 and we actually just
00:30:51 --> 00:30:52 surveyed our membership and
00:30:52 --> 00:30:53 one of the things that we
00:30:53 --> 00:30:55 realized is that location
00:30:55 --> 00:30:56 matters um for our
00:30:56 --> 00:30:58 conference um the zip code
00:30:58 --> 00:30:59 actually does matter
00:31:00 --> 00:31:01 obviously the convenience
00:31:01 --> 00:31:02 of the airport and so I
00:31:02 --> 00:31:03 think this checks a lot of those boxes
00:31:04 --> 00:31:05 Beyond that,
00:31:05 --> 00:31:07 what we're super excited about is,
00:31:07 --> 00:31:08 and I think the thing that
00:31:08 --> 00:31:09 I was most nervous about
00:31:09 --> 00:31:11 when I took over from the
00:31:11 --> 00:31:13 previous conference chair
00:31:13 --> 00:31:16 who set the bar incredibly high,
00:31:16 --> 00:31:17 I'm just hoping I don't
00:31:17 --> 00:31:18 knock it off too hard,
00:31:19 --> 00:31:23 is obviously the level of
00:31:23 --> 00:31:25 keynote presenters.
00:31:25 --> 00:31:30 And this year was, and then Megan,
00:31:30 --> 00:31:31 I'm pretty sure that you always felt this,
00:31:32 --> 00:31:32 where you started to get a
00:31:32 --> 00:31:33 little stressed out, like,
00:31:33 --> 00:31:34 am I going to get, am I going to get?
00:31:34 --> 00:31:37 But we ended up getting three really,
00:31:37 --> 00:31:39 really good, actually I should say four,
00:31:39 --> 00:31:42 but three keynote presenters.
00:31:42 --> 00:31:44 You know, Jeremy Lewis,
00:31:44 --> 00:31:46 if you work anything with the shoulder,
00:31:46 --> 00:31:47 you know who Jeremy Lewis is.
00:31:47 --> 00:31:47 I mean,
00:31:47 --> 00:31:49 he is going to be somebody I think that,
00:31:50 --> 00:31:50 and to be honest with you,
00:31:50 --> 00:31:52 we had him on our Hands On
00:31:52 --> 00:31:53 Hands Off podcast
00:31:54 --> 00:31:55 which is how I ended up
00:31:55 --> 00:31:57 connecting with him to get
00:31:57 --> 00:31:58 him to come to conference.
00:31:58 --> 00:31:59 Because after I interviewed
00:32:00 --> 00:32:01 him for the podcast, I was like,
00:32:02 --> 00:32:03 this guy has to come to conference.
00:32:04 --> 00:32:06 So inspiring, so motivating,
00:32:07 --> 00:32:10 such an incredible, I think a very,
00:32:11 --> 00:32:11 he will be a lot of fun.
00:32:12 --> 00:32:13 He's going to be a lot of fun.
00:32:13 --> 00:32:14 People are going to really enjoy that hour,
00:32:14 --> 00:32:16 hour and a half of his talk.
00:32:20 --> 00:32:20 Nathan Hutting,
00:32:20 --> 00:32:23 he's a friend of ours within AOMT.
00:32:23 --> 00:32:25 He has come to AOMT before.
00:32:26 --> 00:32:27 He's a huge supporter of what we do.
00:32:27 --> 00:32:28 He's a huge supporter of
00:32:28 --> 00:32:29 manual therapy on the
00:32:29 --> 00:32:31 international stage and
00:32:32 --> 00:32:34 specifically to neck pain management.
00:32:34 --> 00:32:37 And so I'm super thrilled
00:32:37 --> 00:32:38 that when we asked him if he would be,
00:32:38 --> 00:32:39 he was just like,
00:32:40 --> 00:32:41 I've been waiting for you to ask me.
00:32:41 --> 00:32:42 Wow.
00:32:43 --> 00:32:44 So happy to have him.
00:32:44 --> 00:32:46 And then Sarah Piva,
00:32:47 --> 00:32:48 obviously a very
00:32:49 --> 00:32:51 established researcher with UPMC,
00:32:53 --> 00:32:54 And she is interesting.
00:32:54 --> 00:32:55 She does a lot of work with
00:32:55 --> 00:32:57 knee and knee OA right now,
00:32:57 --> 00:33:00 but she's kind of previous to knee.
00:33:00 --> 00:33:01 She worked a lot with low
00:33:01 --> 00:33:01 back pain and now she's
00:33:01 --> 00:33:03 kind of moving back toward low back pain.
00:33:04 --> 00:33:06 But in our conversation, she was like,
00:33:06 --> 00:33:08 I was once a manual therapy fellow,
00:33:08 --> 00:33:09 but I let it lapse.
00:33:09 --> 00:33:10 And then we were like, no, wait,
00:33:11 --> 00:33:11 you don't have to worry
00:33:11 --> 00:33:13 about that because we don't
00:33:13 --> 00:33:14 have the 10 year rule.
00:33:14 --> 00:33:15 And so I think we're even
00:33:15 --> 00:33:18 able to bring her back in to the fold,
00:33:18 --> 00:33:19 but she comes with a
00:33:20 --> 00:33:23 a surprising background in manual therapy.
00:33:23 --> 00:33:24 I didn't realize that when I
00:33:24 --> 00:33:25 started to reach out to her
00:33:25 --> 00:33:25 and then we started to have
00:33:25 --> 00:33:26 some conversations.
00:33:26 --> 00:33:27 So it goes to show how like
00:33:28 --> 00:33:30 Aon can jumpstart so many
00:33:30 --> 00:33:31 people's careers into so
00:33:31 --> 00:33:31 many different directions.
00:33:32 --> 00:33:32 Yeah.
00:33:33 --> 00:33:34 She'll bring a lot into that.
00:33:34 --> 00:33:36 And then Roger Chow, I mean,
00:33:37 --> 00:33:39 This is going to be an incredible, um,
00:33:40 --> 00:33:43 you know, distinguished lecturer, uh,
00:33:43 --> 00:33:44 ask for a better lecture.
00:33:44 --> 00:33:45 He's going to be our first
00:33:45 --> 00:33:48 non physical therapist as a, uh,
00:33:48 --> 00:33:49 distinguished lecturer,
00:33:49 --> 00:33:51 but he is somebody who probably,
00:33:51 --> 00:33:52 if you look at the research line,
00:33:53 --> 00:33:53 a lot of the things that
00:33:53 --> 00:33:55 come back to conservative
00:33:55 --> 00:33:57 management for low back pain is, you know,
00:33:57 --> 00:34:00 probably one of, if not the most arguable,
00:34:01 --> 00:34:01 um,
00:34:02 --> 00:34:03 persons who's really sort of
00:34:03 --> 00:34:07 shown how we're not doing a
00:34:07 --> 00:34:08 great job of managing low
00:34:08 --> 00:34:09 back pain from a
00:34:11 --> 00:34:13 and medicine and health care
00:34:13 --> 00:34:16 and health care, a part of that solution.
00:34:16 --> 00:34:16 So I'm excited to hear what
00:34:16 --> 00:34:18 he brings into the table.
00:34:18 --> 00:34:18 I've actually had a chance
00:34:18 --> 00:34:21 to hear him once before speak,
00:34:21 --> 00:34:23 and it was it was
00:34:23 --> 00:34:25 definitely a one of those
00:34:25 --> 00:34:28 crowd appealing events.
00:34:28 --> 00:34:30 It was it was exciting and speaker.
00:34:30 --> 00:34:32 So I think those are the exciting things.
00:34:32 --> 00:34:33 And then the last thing is,
00:34:33 --> 00:34:35 is we just finished reviewing the,
00:34:36 --> 00:34:37 you know, the proposals.
00:34:38 --> 00:34:39 And I was excited because
00:34:39 --> 00:34:41 the majority of these
00:34:41 --> 00:34:43 proposals are manual therapy.
00:34:43 --> 00:34:44 People love to present about
00:34:44 --> 00:34:45 manual therapy,
00:34:45 --> 00:34:46 and we're going to have a
00:34:46 --> 00:34:49 lot of really diverse
00:34:51 --> 00:34:54 types of presentations that
00:34:54 --> 00:34:57 will go along with our keynote presenters,
00:34:58 --> 00:35:01 everything from pelvic health, pediatrics,
00:35:01 --> 00:35:03 sports to the typical
00:35:03 --> 00:35:04 things that we would see
00:35:04 --> 00:35:06 with chronic pain management and so on.
00:35:06 --> 00:35:09 But the overall quality we
00:35:09 --> 00:35:10 actually we were saying on
00:35:10 --> 00:35:11 the other night when we
00:35:11 --> 00:35:12 were going through the
00:35:12 --> 00:35:14 conference proposals that
00:35:15 --> 00:35:16 this is hard because they
00:35:16 --> 00:35:17 were actually too good.
00:35:17 --> 00:35:18 So there was,
00:35:19 --> 00:35:20 there was not enough
00:35:20 --> 00:35:22 distinction in the scores.
00:35:22 --> 00:35:22 And so it was,
00:35:22 --> 00:35:23 it was a little bit of a
00:35:23 --> 00:35:25 challenge to get these to
00:35:25 --> 00:35:26 figure out what was going to be best,
00:35:26 --> 00:35:26 which is a,
00:35:27 --> 00:35:28 which is a good challenge to have.
00:35:28 --> 00:35:29 Yeah.
00:35:29 --> 00:35:29 That's awesome.
00:35:30 --> 00:35:30 That is awesome.
00:35:31 --> 00:35:31 Great.
00:35:31 --> 00:35:33 And I love that we, you know,
00:35:33 --> 00:35:34 we're bringing in a keynote
00:35:34 --> 00:35:36 that's not a physical therapist.
00:35:36 --> 00:35:37 I think the outside
00:35:37 --> 00:35:38 perspective from other
00:35:39 --> 00:35:40 professionals is so different.
00:35:41 --> 00:35:42 important you know because
00:35:42 --> 00:35:44 they have a lens I think
00:35:44 --> 00:35:45 sometimes we don't know
00:35:45 --> 00:35:46 what we don't know because
00:35:46 --> 00:35:48 we talk to pts we engage
00:35:48 --> 00:35:50 with pts we you know we
00:35:50 --> 00:35:51 collaborate we do research
00:35:51 --> 00:35:53 and and I think it's really
00:35:53 --> 00:35:54 cool to have someone you
00:35:54 --> 00:35:56 know who's who's not a pt
00:35:56 --> 00:35:57 provide their perspective
00:35:57 --> 00:35:59 and their experiences I
00:35:59 --> 00:36:00 mean I'm really excited
00:36:00 --> 00:36:01 personally that he's coming
00:36:01 --> 00:36:02 I've been reading his work
00:36:03 --> 00:36:04 ever since I kind of
00:36:04 --> 00:36:05 entered academics and I
00:36:05 --> 00:36:09 quote his stuff all the time and so I'm
00:36:10 --> 00:36:11 I'm, you know,
00:36:11 --> 00:36:12 I kind of feel like I have a
00:36:12 --> 00:36:14 little bit of like, I'm starstruck.
00:36:14 --> 00:36:16 I was going to say, she's starstruck,
00:36:16 --> 00:36:17 Derek.
00:36:17 --> 00:36:20 All right, so Amy, don't worry.
00:36:20 --> 00:36:21 I'll reserve a seat in the
00:36:21 --> 00:36:22 front row for you.
00:36:22 --> 00:36:23 I'll leave one there for you.
00:36:23 --> 00:36:27 We're going to get her a shirt, Derek.
00:36:27 --> 00:36:28 We're going to get her a
00:36:28 --> 00:36:30 shirt and that he can sign it for her.
00:36:31 --> 00:36:32 Oh, we have to do something.
00:36:32 --> 00:36:34 Oh, guys.
00:36:35 --> 00:36:36 WWRCD.
00:36:36 --> 00:36:38 What would Robert Chow do?
00:36:39 --> 00:36:40 Oh, my gosh.
00:36:40 --> 00:36:41 You're giving all the
00:36:41 --> 00:36:42 listeners all these ideas
00:36:42 --> 00:36:42 now that they're going to
00:36:43 --> 00:36:44 have to tell us what we're going to do.
00:36:45 --> 00:36:46 Yeah, that could be a fun competition.
00:36:46 --> 00:36:47 Whose idea do we take?
00:36:47 --> 00:36:48 I'm just saying, Derek,
00:36:48 --> 00:36:49 we might have to explore
00:36:49 --> 00:36:50 this a little bit.
00:36:50 --> 00:36:51 I'm trying to figure out if
00:36:51 --> 00:36:53 we save Amy a seat in the
00:36:53 --> 00:36:54 front row or we actually
00:36:54 --> 00:36:55 don't have Amy in the front row.
00:36:55 --> 00:36:55 Oh, Derek, no.
00:36:55 --> 00:36:57 Like, you and I are in the front row.
00:36:57 --> 00:36:58 Amy's going to be, like,
00:36:59 --> 00:37:00 trying to nudge up there.
00:37:00 --> 00:37:00 We'll be like... Is that the
00:37:00 --> 00:37:02 risk of embarrassment that
00:37:02 --> 00:37:05 you're trying to put me in the 10th row?
00:37:05 --> 00:37:07 That's a real risk, just so you know.
00:37:08 --> 00:37:09 I'm excited Roger Chow's coming.
00:37:09 --> 00:37:10 I think it's going to be fantastic.
00:37:10 --> 00:37:11 It's going to be great.
00:37:11 --> 00:37:11 And...
00:37:12 --> 00:37:13 But all the other, you know,
00:37:14 --> 00:37:15 people that you mentioned
00:37:15 --> 00:37:15 that are in the lineup,
00:37:15 --> 00:37:17 I think it's going to be I
00:37:17 --> 00:37:17 think it's going to be great.
00:37:17 --> 00:37:20 Yeah, well,
00:37:20 --> 00:37:22 I just have to say kudos to you, Derek,
00:37:22 --> 00:37:23 for putting the lineup together.
00:37:23 --> 00:37:27 It is hard to put such top
00:37:27 --> 00:37:29 notch people year in, year out.
00:37:29 --> 00:37:30 And, you know,
00:37:30 --> 00:37:31 bringing that to the AM
00:37:31 --> 00:37:33 group is such a it's a privilege.
00:37:33 --> 00:37:33 Right.
00:37:33 --> 00:37:34 I always think it's such a
00:37:34 --> 00:37:35 privilege to have that
00:37:35 --> 00:37:36 opportunity to do that work.
00:37:37 --> 00:37:38 but it's also hard work.
00:37:38 --> 00:37:39 And Derek,
00:37:39 --> 00:37:40 you're really going out and
00:37:40 --> 00:37:41 getting those speakers.
00:37:41 --> 00:37:41 And so again,
00:37:41 --> 00:37:42 thank you so much for all
00:37:42 --> 00:37:43 your work you're doing there.
00:37:43 --> 00:37:45 It's, I mean, we really, our,
00:37:45 --> 00:37:48 our organization is for the
00:37:48 --> 00:37:49 people by the people.
00:37:50 --> 00:37:50 Like that's it.
00:37:50 --> 00:37:53 Like we're doing this work for our people,
00:37:53 --> 00:37:55 but AOMT is, has just been such a,
00:37:55 --> 00:37:57 such a great organization
00:37:57 --> 00:38:00 to be a part of from, from very,
00:38:00 --> 00:38:01 very long time ago.
00:38:01 --> 00:38:02 So I love seeing that,
00:38:03 --> 00:38:04 people still have the
00:38:04 --> 00:38:05 passion to serve with such a big heart.
00:38:05 --> 00:38:06 So thanks, Derek, for that work.
00:38:06 --> 00:38:07 The other thing I'll say is,
00:38:07 --> 00:38:08 is that it's actually,
00:38:08 --> 00:38:10 it's a little bit of an
00:38:10 --> 00:38:11 easier job than I thought
00:38:11 --> 00:38:12 it was going to be.
00:38:12 --> 00:38:13 I know that doesn't sound right.
00:38:14 --> 00:38:15 But in that,
00:38:16 --> 00:38:17 and I say that because AOMT is
00:38:18 --> 00:38:19 a very respectable,
00:38:20 --> 00:38:22 very respectable organization.
00:38:22 --> 00:38:24 And so when I reach out to people,
00:38:24 --> 00:38:25 they are
00:38:26 --> 00:38:27 they want to be part of that
00:38:27 --> 00:38:28 they know who our
00:38:28 --> 00:38:30 membership is they know our
00:38:30 --> 00:38:32 members are some of the you
00:38:32 --> 00:38:34 know not just the great
00:38:34 --> 00:38:35 researchers and education
00:38:36 --> 00:38:38 and educators but they also
00:38:38 --> 00:38:39 know that they truly are
00:38:39 --> 00:38:40 like some of the best
00:38:40 --> 00:38:42 clinicians you know if you
00:38:42 --> 00:38:43 if you think about this
00:38:43 --> 00:38:44 like who would I send my
00:38:44 --> 00:38:46 who would I send my mom to
00:38:46 --> 00:38:47 go get care for and if I
00:38:47 --> 00:38:48 saw somebody that
00:38:48 --> 00:38:50 had you know some background
00:38:50 --> 00:38:51 in manual therapy and such
00:38:52 --> 00:38:53 um and so when we talk to
00:38:54 --> 00:38:55 folks that want to present
00:38:55 --> 00:38:56 they know that they're
00:38:56 --> 00:38:57 presenting to an audience
00:38:57 --> 00:39:00 that is uh has high
00:39:00 --> 00:39:02 standards and I think that
00:39:02 --> 00:39:05 makes it um a bit of an of
00:39:05 --> 00:39:07 a nice role because I think
00:39:07 --> 00:39:08 people actually feel um you
00:39:09 --> 00:39:10 know it is a privilege to
00:39:10 --> 00:39:11 stand up on the main stage
00:39:11 --> 00:39:13 and to present to this group of
00:39:14 --> 00:39:16 members, clinicians,
00:39:16 --> 00:39:17 other researchers and
00:39:17 --> 00:39:19 educators who have these
00:39:20 --> 00:39:21 standards of excellence that are,
00:39:21 --> 00:39:23 you know, quite high.
00:39:25 --> 00:39:26 Yeah.
00:39:26 --> 00:39:28 Well, I think we're also just, you know,
00:39:28 --> 00:39:30 it's a pretty fun group too, by the way.
00:39:30 --> 00:39:32 We have a party every year.
00:39:32 --> 00:39:32 Yeah.
00:39:33 --> 00:39:33 And they're, they're pretty,
00:39:34 --> 00:39:34 they're pretty
00:39:35 --> 00:39:36 pretty crazy people.
00:39:36 --> 00:39:37 We enjoy each other's talk.
00:39:37 --> 00:39:39 We just got to watch Amy and Roger,
00:39:39 --> 00:39:40 apparently, though, at the party.
00:39:41 --> 00:39:43 So make sure that we give
00:39:43 --> 00:39:47 security a little bit of a cue.
00:39:47 --> 00:39:48 I love it.
00:39:48 --> 00:39:50 Well, I mean, again,
00:39:50 --> 00:39:51 we have such awesome people
00:39:51 --> 00:39:52 who come to this conference.
00:39:52 --> 00:39:55 So I always say it is like a star event,
00:39:55 --> 00:39:55 right?
00:39:55 --> 00:39:56 You get these rock stars in
00:39:56 --> 00:39:58 the profession who totally
00:39:58 --> 00:39:59 make time for other people,
00:39:59 --> 00:40:00 have conversations.
00:40:00 --> 00:40:00 So
00:40:01 --> 00:40:01 Amy,
00:40:02 --> 00:40:03 you can be the first to have that
00:40:03 --> 00:40:04 conversation with Roger,
00:40:04 --> 00:40:06 and I'm sure it'll all work out great.
00:40:07 --> 00:40:08 But we'll have others.
00:40:08 --> 00:40:10 So we'll distribute all the
00:40:10 --> 00:40:13 rock star dust around the room,
00:40:13 --> 00:40:14 make sure everyone gets to spread around.
00:40:14 --> 00:40:15 So that'll be great.
00:40:16 --> 00:40:17 Awesome.
00:40:17 --> 00:40:18 I think this is pretty good
00:40:18 --> 00:40:19 for our first kickoff.
00:40:19 --> 00:40:21 I mean, we hit our vision,
00:40:22 --> 00:40:23 what we're trying to do.
00:40:23 --> 00:40:24 We totally talked about how
00:40:24 --> 00:40:26 it aligns with what, you know,
00:40:26 --> 00:40:27 what we're trying to do as
00:40:27 --> 00:40:28 an organization.
00:40:28 --> 00:40:29 You gave them a little
00:40:29 --> 00:40:31 history about the naming,
00:40:31 --> 00:40:33 which by the way, not an easy thing.
00:40:33 --> 00:40:35 And thank goodness for Derek
00:40:35 --> 00:40:36 saving the day.
00:40:36 --> 00:40:37 You know,
00:40:37 --> 00:40:38 now we're sitting here at a space
00:40:38 --> 00:40:39 where we get to talk about
00:40:39 --> 00:40:41 what our next steps are we're going.
00:40:41 --> 00:40:42 We've got a lineup.
00:40:42 --> 00:40:43 We've got a huge lineup.
00:40:43 --> 00:40:44 We're going international.
00:40:45 --> 00:40:45 And some of those same
00:40:45 --> 00:40:46 people are going to be on
00:40:46 --> 00:40:48 the main stage with you, Derek,
00:40:48 --> 00:40:49 as we're kicking off a big
00:40:49 --> 00:40:50 conference that we just talked about.
00:40:50 --> 00:40:52 So I think this is a pretty
00:40:52 --> 00:40:53 good wrap up for all the
00:40:53 --> 00:40:54 things that we've got going
00:40:54 --> 00:40:55 on that are going to come
00:40:55 --> 00:40:56 over the next five, six months.
00:40:57 --> 00:40:58 Yeah, I think it is.
00:40:58 --> 00:40:59 I think it is.
00:41:00 --> 00:41:00 Yes.
00:41:01 --> 00:41:02 Very excited to be a part of this.
00:41:02 --> 00:41:05 And, you know, and to our listeners,
00:41:05 --> 00:41:06 actually, I just, you know,
00:41:07 --> 00:41:08 When we said, hey,
00:41:08 --> 00:41:09 what's our first show that
00:41:09 --> 00:41:10 we should have?
00:41:10 --> 00:41:10 I'm like,
00:41:10 --> 00:41:12 let's bring Megan and Amy on the
00:41:12 --> 00:41:13 show and let's just have a
00:41:13 --> 00:41:14 conversation because it
00:41:14 --> 00:41:16 would be about the best thing.
00:41:16 --> 00:41:17 We didn't play around with
00:41:17 --> 00:41:18 any of the technology, though, did we?
00:41:18 --> 00:41:19 We could have had all kinds
00:41:19 --> 00:41:20 of fun with some of the
00:41:20 --> 00:41:22 sound bites from our listeners and things,
00:41:22 --> 00:41:25 but we'll do more in our time.
00:41:26 --> 00:41:26 We'll do more.
00:41:27 --> 00:41:28 You know, I can remove myself now.
00:41:28 --> 00:41:29 I can just go.
00:41:29 --> 00:41:30 I know.
00:41:30 --> 00:41:32 I ask goodbye, you all.
00:41:32 --> 00:41:32 You can,
00:41:33 --> 00:41:34 but I also have the same amount of
00:41:34 --> 00:41:35 control as you do.
00:41:35 --> 00:41:37 And I can bring you back on the stage.
00:41:37 --> 00:41:38 I don't think we're going to
00:41:38 --> 00:41:39 showcase all of our
00:41:39 --> 00:41:40 inadequacies this early
00:41:41 --> 00:41:42 into this endeavor.
00:41:42 --> 00:41:43 I agree with Amy.
00:41:43 --> 00:41:44 And two beats one.
00:41:48 --> 00:41:49 All right.
00:41:49 --> 00:41:50 Well, thanks, team.
00:41:50 --> 00:41:51 It's great.
00:41:51 --> 00:41:52 I really appreciate you guys
00:41:52 --> 00:41:53 going and doing this with us.
00:41:54 --> 00:41:54 That's awesome.
00:41:54 --> 00:41:55 Sounds like you have to wrap.
00:41:56 --> 00:41:57 Sounds like it's a wrap.
00:41:58 --> 00:41:59 I'm going to end recording here.