Screen the Spine for Extremity Pain
Untold Physio StoriesMay 28, 202400:07:116.57 MB

Screen the Spine for Extremity Pain

In this episode, Erson goes over two recent cases of youth athletes with extremity complaints who were already receiving physical therapy with general strengthening. Both were rapidly resolved with spinal repeated loading. What do you think of this case?

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[00:01:28] In this solo cast I just want to talk about two youth athletes that I've seen in the past month.

[00:01:33] The first is a cervical patient but she had shoulder complaints.

[00:01:38] She was being seen currently by another physical therapist who was mostly working on

[00:01:43] strengthening her rotator cuff. Her main complaints were shoulder pain with swimming and a crawl

[00:01:49] but she was currently off season for that and she was finishing up her volleyball season.

[00:01:54] The only thing that reproduced her shoulder pain was serving. She was able to do everything else,

[00:01:59] setting and all the other kind of moves you do in volleyball.

[00:02:04] So she had pain with serving. The relevant findings for shoulder mobility were limitation,

[00:02:09] hard end feel on the right side compared to the left in elevation, abduction, scaption,

[00:02:15] internal rotation, and extension. So pretty much fitting like a shoulder impingement pattern.

[00:02:21] When I checked her with the Actifor she had less than 10% difference in flexion, abduction,

[00:02:26] and external rotation strength probably because the last PT had already been working on all of

[00:02:31] those muscle groups. However she did have a significant limitation in cervical retraction

[00:02:35] and side bending to the right which fits the clinical practice patterns I teach in my

[00:02:40] modern manual therapy courses. So I decided to do some ISTM in supine on her right upper trap,

[00:02:46] right upper cervical spine then I did traction retraction and side bending

[00:02:50] to improve that loading to the ipsilateral side. I was able to get her ear to actually

[00:02:56] touch her shoulder after two sets of 10 of that we retested shoulder mobility.

[00:03:01] It was full pain free went from DP inflection and abduction to FN inflection

[00:03:10] internal rotation, extension, and abduction. Because I didn't have a volleyball and she didn't

[00:03:15] bring a volleyball and neither did her mom we actually went outside my office and she served

[00:03:21] the huge 65 size Swiss or Thera ball that I sit on for work. She was able to actually hit

[00:03:31] that thing with minimal to no pain. Here's really surprised and really happy. So the

[00:03:36] only thing I gave her for recovery plan day one was cervical retraction and side bending to the

[00:03:41] right along with frequent changes of position and getting extra sleep. Her mom reported that

[00:03:46] she was able to finish out the season with minimal to no pain. On visit two a couple weeks

[00:03:51] later I tested with the active force two end range flexion elevation and that still had a

[00:03:59] 25% difference. So in you know with the arm at the side she had no significant differences

[00:04:08] in abduction and arm at 90 degrees she had no significant differences of less than 10% difference

[00:04:14] in flexion strength but however end range flexion still had 25% difference and that was more

[00:04:21] where she actually had those that pain with crawling and especially serving in volleyball.

[00:04:28] So the thing I gave her was overhead carries to be done prior to her workouts and if you

[00:04:35] imagine an anchor with a Thera band anchored in front of you end range flexion oscillations

[00:04:41] to be done to fatigue reps to fatigue comparing how many can do on the left versus

[00:04:47] how many can do on the right twice a day. I didn't really think she needed to follow up

[00:04:51] after that as she was actually able to play her sport without any pain and her mom would

[00:04:59] actually contact me if she had any issues with swimming. So that was the first case. The second

[00:05:04] case was a young black belt that I had seen he was again also being seen in physical therapy

[00:05:12] with just mainly hip strengthening. The only thing that really hurt him was chambering and

[00:05:18] side kicking. He was able to do inside out kicks, axe kicks, wheel kicks, everything else,

[00:05:23] front kicks, back kicks but side kicks hurt. He did have full hip range of motion on the involved

[00:05:31] side compared to the uninvolved side. The only thing that was significantly limited was

[00:05:38] anterior tilt and side bending to that side and with lumbar extension he deviated away from

[00:05:44] the involved side so he deviated to the left. Both of these fit my clinical practice patterns

[00:05:49] with side gliding and standing against the wall loading the right side he was able to

[00:05:54] chamber and side kick no problem. That's the only thing I gave him and he reported being

[00:05:59] able to spar you know a couple weeks later with verbal follow-up he was able to spar,

[00:06:06] kick, do everything with no pain. He also said running was now pain free. He didn't

[00:06:10] tell me that running was painful before because I think his main concern as a martial artist was

[00:06:16] that he was able to spar and do side kicks. So both of these kind of illustrates what McKenzie

[00:06:24] had found with the ex-paw study that a high percentage of shoulder issues can be treated

[00:06:30] with cervical repeated loading and a high percentage of hip issues can be treated with

[00:06:34] lumbar repeated loading. My main question for the audience is if you are not screening the spine

[00:06:40] for extremity problems especially the cervical spine for the shoulder and lumbar spine for the

[00:06:46] hip then what are you doing and you are definitely I feel like you're missing out on

[00:06:52] some potentially very simple solutions for chronic complaints. If you have any questions

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