The Psychology of Food: How to Better Understand Your Relationship with Food to Start Making Progress

[00:00:00] All right everybody, welcome back to the Barbell Therapy podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Brett Scott.

[00:00:06] With me here today is Dr. Sadik Alisha Razzi. He is a doctor of chiropractic and he's got quite

[00:00:13] a different approach to nutrition. So I heard him on the movement fixed podcast years ago

[00:00:20] and was just astounded at the level and consciousness that which we should and can view food

[00:00:28] which I think especially here in the States, everyone talks about nutrition and diets

[00:00:33] and this and that and no one's really looking at the lifestyle of behaviors, factors,

[00:00:38] social aspects of food and coping mechanisms we've learned over time and how our family

[00:00:45] his taught us to view food even though we don't necessarily realize these things. So there's

[00:00:52] a whole lot here that I want to unpack with you today. So thanks for coming on. I really appreciate

[00:00:57] it and how did you kind of get into this whole nutrition side as a chiropractor?

[00:01:02] Great, that to be here Scott. Well I, man it's a long story but it's really my own personal

[00:01:12] journey that was trying to figure out how to improve my health. The pivotal point was actually

[00:01:21] when I entered myself on the jet ski and I was mid-30s and went to North Korea

[00:01:31] ex-Surgeon, orthopedic surgeon, wanted to do surgery on my back. He said I had a hurting

[00:01:36] an F-4L-5, it was pretty bad and by whim I went to see a chiropractor and somebody had

[00:01:43] referred me and I said okay why not? I was an excruciating pain and this human's been about an

[00:01:50] hour and a half with me and he educated me on the fact that my belly was pulling on my spine

[00:01:59] and I had no stability in my muscles. Just stop hitting the desk because you're picking it up

[00:02:06] in the mic. I got you. No problem. Anyway so he educated me on the fact that anatomically

[00:02:16] my weight was bearing down on my spine and that my lack of stability was pushing my desk onto my

[00:02:24] nerve and basically he said to me he said you have to lose about 45 pounds and I had struggled

[00:02:31] with weight most of my life. I grew up in a Middle Eastern household and so we ate pretty rich foods

[00:02:39] and it was the first time I understood how my weight was affecting my anatomy and he recommended

[00:02:47] that I watched fat sick and nearly dead and this is a movie or documentary about nutrition that

[00:02:57] that pushes juice fasting or that talks about the microdutaries that come from from juice fasting

[00:03:04] or from a whole food plant based diet or just getting more microdutrates in and so

[00:03:11] there's nothing more motivating than pain to have you change your behavior pattern. And that's

[00:03:16] really what did it for me. I watched the documentary and it was the first time I did a month

[00:03:22] juice fast and at the end of that month I had lost the most amount of weight that I had struggled

[00:03:31] with throughout my my late 20s, early 30s and I really started to feel what they call

[00:03:37] cellular hunger basically my body was craving spinach and broccoli in the same manner and fashion

[00:03:44] that I used to crave ice cream and or high sugar dopamine rich foods. And so this was kind of like

[00:03:51] this light bulb that went off for me. I started to truly understand that the body was craving these

[00:03:58] microdutrates and I'd say within seven months I had applied to gyropractor school out in

[00:04:05] Portland, Oregon and I was in my car driving out there to start my education. And that particular

[00:04:12] school University of Western states had a master's in nutrition and functional medicine

[00:04:17] which I understood that if I was going to be a doctor if explaining health and low-being to

[00:04:23] my patients that nutrition was going to be at the forefront of what I was going to teach them.

[00:04:31] Cool. And so something profound that Ryan mentioned in the other podcast was

[00:04:39] food a such a unique piece to our life where we can get this short term instant gratification from it

[00:04:47] this big dopamine hit from cookies, crackers, cheese, fat salts, whatever and there's no immediate

[00:04:55] consequence. You don't have a cookie and wake up the next day with diabetes or at the

[00:05:01] rosecolorosis, but these consequences we keep doing them over and over because it's rewarding

[00:05:07] to our brain and it feels good in the moment and then 10 years later we have all these co-morbidities

[00:05:12] of high blood pressure, high cholesterol, cardiovascular disease, all these things so you know there's

[00:05:20] so much to unpack and how do we get there and what happens to us that's you know is in my mind

[00:05:28] completely preventable with the right education and mindset around food. Yeah that's a great question

[00:05:38] yeah it's interesting you know I've been doing this work for about five years now and after I

[00:05:43] graduated from high-practice school I came straight down to the Trunorth Health Center here in

[00:05:49] St. Rosa, California and what this place is more than anything it's a lifestyle clinic and

[00:05:58] what I really understood studying the functional medicine and nutrition is that we were trying to find

[00:06:04] the core imbalance and anybody in healthcare that studied the body that studied biochemistry

[00:06:09] that studied any of the science is knows the impeccable brilliance of how this human system works

[00:06:17] it is hands down the most impressive creation out of anything that we will possess more so than our

[00:06:26] test-less or our smart devices is the human body and somehow we've become totally dissociated from

[00:06:37] the mechanisms and the needs of our body because of I'd say a little bit of a glitch in the

[00:06:45] system as intelligent as our systems are we are getting hijacked by the dopamine system

[00:06:51] and it actually makes a lot of sense if you if you zoom out because that system truly is designed

[00:06:58] for our survival and before the industrial revolution before we had such caloric density or

[00:07:05] excess high calorie which foods the system worked pretty good and now the social systems that exist

[00:07:13] they're overriding our dopamine system that was designed for our survival and all of our choices

[00:07:20] are being written by seeking pleasure and that's in a variety of different forms and so

[00:07:27] what I've witnessed working here for five years is we're basically neuro adapting people's

[00:07:34] brains so that way they can come back to a baseline where their choices for food are more

[00:07:41] aligned to their well-being and for most humans once you've started this dopamine rich

[00:07:47] behavior pattern or habit it's highly difficult to come off of it and I haven't seen too many

[00:07:55] systems to be quite honest that can really help a person change their behavior patterns I mean I

[00:08:01] spend a significant amount of my time trying to figure out this conundrum of where our system and

[00:08:08] our wearer societies going because it's it's such a huge issue because somehow we have to change

[00:08:16] everyone's mindset to understand the the choices that they're making are not benefiting

[00:08:23] their well-being and what you said and what you said right earlier really is it's highly important

[00:08:30] to recognize is it's a downstream effect it's not the second you eat that burger for some people

[00:08:36] it is but for most humans they're not going to see the consequences of that 10 50 20 years my

[00:08:43] brain now when I look at humans and I'm looking at where are the healthy 50 and 60 year olds

[00:08:52] eating what are their behavior patterns if I walk into a restaurant I see a bunch of

[00:08:57] obese humans if that's the majority of people in a restaurant I probably shouldn't be eating there

[00:09:03] I'm going to go to the places where I'm seeing the people in their 60s and 70s who have had

[00:09:07] longevity of health what are those humans doing how are they living their lives what foods have they been

[00:09:13] eating and I work in a clinic unfortunately where most of the humans that are coming here it's

[00:09:19] turned out to be the last call they don't know how to change their life styles anymore so they're

[00:09:25] finally coming out here to water fast for up to 40 days that's where they're finally coming because

[00:09:32] they're diabetes they're hypertension they're autoimmune diseases and their cancers

[00:09:37] have gotten the point where they're finally in that pain mindset they're scared and everything

[00:09:43] has hasn't worked and so what they're doing and they're making this they're making the sacrifice

[00:09:50] to come all the way out to California to lead their families to leave their jobs for two weeks

[00:09:55] to advance some of them four months to try to figure out how to get the weight lost down how to

[00:10:00] get that blood pressure down and how to reverse their diabetes and I'll tell you it's like

[00:10:07] clock work when you're looking at hypertension and diabetes water fasting and changing your diet

[00:10:13] these humans are walking out of here back to normal levels and so that's amazing so is this

[00:10:20] inpatient so they're staying there for up to 40 days like living and being monitored yeah it's an

[00:10:25] inpatient facility and Dr. Godhammer started 1984 and this is all based off of the concept

[00:10:35] of natural hygiene basically what is the most fundamental necessities of the human design how we

[00:10:44] suppose to eat how we supposed to sleep how do we manage our stress how do we exercise and move

[00:10:51] our bodies and I feel like there's enough evidence to understand these concepts as to you know what

[00:10:57] is the function of our structure meaning you can look at the structure of humans and I

[00:11:04] and I believe that in understanding and studying the structure the functions are really not that

[00:11:09] hard to understand we can understand how we're supposed to move how much we're supposed to sleep

[00:11:15] and so what we do is we bring these humans in they stay for a an a lot of period of time

[00:11:22] and we're attempting to change their cellular response to the food set they're eating

[00:11:28] mostly by taking out on a on a fast taking out the overload of calories and toxins

[00:11:36] or the the excessive sugar salt and one of that's already in the diet and so is that the main

[00:11:42] point of the fast is just to break the habit loops that someone has created in their own body

[00:11:50] of every time I eat I'm getting dopamine from the sugar the salt the fat and or is there

[00:11:56] more to it than that or is it really just like we need a hard clean slate to start on to reset

[00:12:02] our palate basically yeah I'd say I'd say it's a variety of all of those things but in my opinion

[00:12:10] yes it's mostly to get people off the addictive pathways that the brain cannot stop and I'm going

[00:12:18] to be the first one to admit I was here for about three years and I kind of had to step off my

[00:12:26] pedestal because I really felt it was easy to manage your food intake but I lived on a clinic that

[00:12:35] served as organic whole food diet meals three times a day and as long as I was in this this environment

[00:12:44] the epigenetics of how I existed my choices were so easy and I was so far out of the the

[00:12:53] food additions that I had been acclimated to when I was in school before started working here

[00:12:58] but I I had really successfully been able to eat healthy and get off of the salt and sugar

[00:13:05] or foods for long enough that I didn't really have these addictive cravings anymore but then

[00:13:09] I moved to Central America for a year and a half and it's what we call the pleasure trap

[00:13:13] it's you don't even recognize what's happening to your brain when you start to bring these foods back in

[00:13:22] and at some point I recognized well I can't just stop eating that thing the way I used to when

[00:13:29] I was living back California and so these these dopamine mechanisms rob your brain to make the right

[00:13:39] choice and so it has nothing to do with world power it's not that I mean this I really want humans to

[00:13:43] understand you're not weak it's not that your world powers poor we have an evolutionary system that

[00:13:50] was designed to make sure we survive that dopamine mechanism puts these neurochemicals into your

[00:13:59] bloodstream because it's trying to influence your choice and that choice wants to find more of

[00:14:05] that calorie rich dopamine chemical and so it's going to seek it out and it's going to do whatever

[00:14:12] you can get it yeah and so I want to talk a little bit too about these kind of thought patterns

[00:14:20] in habits and habit loops that we create and how those really kind of you know develop over time

[00:14:28] and I think one thing that's kind of maybe misunderstood by people and people that work in healthcare

[00:14:34] too is we always take a family history of does anyone have you know cardiovascular disease hypertension

[00:14:40] these types of things and I don't I don't know if people think we're looking at it for a genetics

[00:14:45] perspective or just realizing like okay you grew up in a you know hardcore Italian family

[00:14:52] and to you healthy is pasta every night for dinner with the Thomas sauce and ground beef or whatever

[00:15:01] the case may be all right so can you touch on that a little bit yeah I think it's a variety of both

[00:15:10] it's for sure genetic and then epigenetic is huge it's the environment that we live in

[00:15:15] that influence our choice I'm always going back to what is how is my brain making choices

[00:15:25] where's it getting information from so the brand of course is coming out through the spot

[00:15:29] of course sending out these little tentacles which is basically gathering information both from

[00:15:34] the outside world and then from the inside of our organs and then from the genetics within the

[00:15:40] cells of each with an each cell of our body and then it's assessing all this information and then

[00:15:46] it's making your choice all about survival it's trying to figure out how do I survive and the

[00:15:51] environment that we're in and I think it's easier to just assume like this is a genetic pre-disposition

[00:15:58] people like to fall back on this is just how I'm there I am and we are by design mirroring mimicking

[00:16:10] the environments that we're in and the longer we're in an environment the longer we're in a certain

[00:16:16] epigenetic situation we start to mimic how the tribe is functioning in that environment

[00:16:23] and so if I see the patterning of how my parent deal with stress or anxiety

[00:16:31] or these addictive patterns of what they do when they're stressed and if they eat after

[00:16:36] their stress or what time of the day that they're eating and I'm practicing this from childhood

[00:16:42] I'm already creating a neuropsychic behavior pattern that is becoming rooted in who I am

[00:16:51] and so you're going back into just essentially we're creating these patterns that we've learned

[00:16:56] from childhood of how we eat how we sleep how we relate how we manage stress and so by the time

[00:17:03] we're older we're already married the environments that we grew up in and you can look at

[00:17:10] children and just see you know how even they stand up I'm observing down as a chiropractor

[00:17:16] and looking at movement wow you have the same kind of cathosis as your mom and dad do

[00:17:22] and so when you're cylinder all sitting they're all kind of sitting leaned over in the same manner

[00:17:26] and so we're mirroring through mirroring neurons these family members that we grew up

[00:17:32] and we're eating the same man in the same manner that they are and to touch on

[00:17:38] you know these patterns and humans are essentially we're just these patterns and you want to look at

[00:17:47] your your own specific patterns the environments that you grew up in and I think if we're talking

[00:17:53] about health we have to look at the environment and the societies that are training us and the

[00:18:01] societies that that were growing up in because we have to assess the evolutionary component of

[00:18:11] being human and so I love talking about habits and I love talking about specifically identity habits

[00:18:18] but habits in the sense of how our our nervous system operates and so what you're looking at if you

[00:18:27] and if you read any of James Clear atomic habits or Charles Doveg they're all giving these

[00:18:33] under this explanation that we have cues and then from a cue we create a routine

[00:18:40] and then we create a response and so it's almost impossible to talk about how we're eating

[00:18:46] and health if we're not talking about the cues of when we eat or any kind of stress

[00:18:54] stress related events that we're time to our intake of food and surely are our eating patterns

[00:19:04] aren't because my body's running low on glucose and I'm running out of fuel and I need to eat

[00:19:11] because I have a need for energy we're eating because we're bored we're eating because I don't know

[00:19:19] what to do with my stress we're eating because I have an internal critic that is creating stress in

[00:19:25] my emotional that's creating cortisol on my bloodstream and because I need to eradicate that

[00:19:31] because evolutionary that stress in my bloodstream that cortisol is triggering a five-year

[00:19:37] fire response and so my brain wants to get out of it quick so what it does is it finds the quickest

[00:19:44] response for dopamine or the quickest exit out of it and it's when I eat that ice cream or

[00:19:49] I stuff my face back potato chips I have a momentary release from that stress hormone and that's

[00:19:57] the challenge of these patterns is that we're using them my opically in the moment but in the

[00:20:04] long-term we're developing atthroscrosis we're filling up all our insulin receptors on ourselves

[00:20:11] and eventually as we start getting older we're seeing the repercussions usually you don't see

[00:20:17] them in your early 20s and 30s but beyond that the body starts stops to be able to take on that sort of

[00:20:24] stress and so looking at all this too like you said so genetic definitely play a component into our

[00:20:33] health wellness longevity but it's like I think of it too and you might see this a lot in

[00:20:40] the clinic too it's like someone a patient comes in it's like well my mom had a bad back and I

[00:20:45] have a bad back to her my dad had a bad back and I have a bad back to it's like do you think

[00:20:50] that same way just because they thought that way and they didn't see maybe the true answers were

[00:20:57] in the behaviors that could change the bad back because it's not like we're all just on an assembly

[00:21:03] line and like you got the last one that was like the refurbished back or spine right that's right there's

[00:21:09] things we can do to rehab that but that someone just have a closed mindset to that and said no screw

[00:21:15] it I'm just I just have a bad back so I I said this to a patient the other day it's like you know

[00:21:21] there's all this resistance to changing habits and things and it's kind of just this like

[00:21:27] closed view of their view on nutrition and I was like think it to myself I'm like well given you

[00:21:35] you know you could have been born from the same mother given the same genetics and I'm not an expert

[00:21:39] on genetics but I think they change over time based on how we influence our own body right but what if

[00:21:44] you what if we were adopted and lived with an entirely different family and brought up completely

[00:21:48] different would we see a whole different human being at 50 60 years old when you you learned a

[00:21:55] different way of living a different way of stress a different view on health which completely changes

[00:22:00] the game of looking at this family history of you know because it's like even if you were adopted like

[00:22:06] yeah you could very well end up with diabetes of both your parents did and you just lived in a

[00:22:10] house where sugar was your main ingredient in all your food yeah I think you I think you have to look

[00:22:17] at nature versus nurture and nature you know does play a big role in it but I really think that

[00:22:24] epigenetic and environments that you in are influencing you more so than nature even and it's like for

[00:22:32] example if you're ever in a room and like you improve your posture you drop your shoulders down

[00:22:38] and back there's like three people that witnessed it and they do the same thing right they kind of like

[00:22:44] they see you standing up tall and they want to stand up tall too and that's but that's a mirror

[00:22:48] and no matter in effect and so imagine having a family where they're standing up tall they're working

[00:22:56] on their their anatomy they're eating the right foods we're being influenced by that behavior pattern

[00:23:04] and so the environments that we that were in are highly influential there was a there was a study

[00:23:12] done too with rats where they where they expose them to cherry blossoms and then they shocked the

[00:23:20] rats alongside the scent of the cherry blossom and of course classical conditioning those rats

[00:23:28] developed a fear every time they brought the cherry blossoms around and so what they witnessed was

[00:23:38] that the subsequent generations of these rats who never were exposed to the shock started to

[00:23:46] develop the same fears around those cherry blossoms okay so this is a genetic component where

[00:23:52] the previous generation is trying to prepare the next generation for threats in the environment

[00:23:59] and this is what's coming preceding us it's all about information into the nervous system because

[00:24:05] our systems designed to survive and it wants to know what are the threats in the environment that

[00:24:10] we're in and so even though there's no threat in the cherry blossoms at all that generation of rats

[00:24:16] are now prepped for the threat of cherry blossoms you know we have a we have a slightly

[00:24:23] good I was going to say so the the second generation of rats where they ever exposed to their

[00:24:31] parental units reaction to these cherry blossoms or no they weren't exposed to their parents reaction

[00:24:39] of it okay we're just exposed to the scent of it so this is this is basically just genetically

[00:24:45] they were just given this trait of being scared of cherry blossoms they're really scared

[00:24:49] cherry blossoms because the previous generation is genetically sending information for survival

[00:24:56] into into that environment that's a main where humans are humans are having to again assess

[00:25:03] or the environments that we're living in and I think that we I think we take for granted

[00:25:10] who is it that is teaching us information and I always follow when I'm looking at stages of transformation

[00:25:18] like I understand it to be it's the same as the competency chore unconscious competency

[00:25:25] I call it unconscious dysfunction you don't know what you don't know and then you have to become

[00:25:31] aware of what you don't know and then you have to find more competent or functional pattern

[00:25:37] it's all patterns until you and then practice it enough until you become unconsciously

[00:25:42] functional or unconsciously competent and this goes for everything that we've learned in societies

[00:25:48] and systems unconscious dysfunction is who trained me when I look at my mother and my

[00:25:55] father and my family and the systems were they training me to be the most optimal

[00:26:03] biological being that I can be how did they eat, how did they sleep, how did they interact,

[00:26:09] how did they manage stress and most humans are not going to have this highly conscious upbringing

[00:26:16] and I've just accepted this to be the fact because the systems that are raising us aren't

[00:26:22] driving it into our brains for middle school and high school in college the structure and function

[00:26:29] and the anatomy and how our body works they're teaching us how to be consumers and so

[00:26:35] that's so health and well being is not something we even discover until potentially after high school

[00:26:41] and then it's really when you get to your 30s and 40s and you recognize enough patterns

[00:26:46] of how you've eaten and how you slept and have you interacted that my body is breaking down

[00:26:52] on me and I have to do something different what is it because as I was saying earlier

[00:26:58] this is the most impressive system it's phenomenal and you have to look at you know how animals

[00:27:05] animals aren't developing diabetes and hypertension they're in nature it's a totally different

[00:27:10] symbiotic homeostatic system humans have introduced behavior patterns they're unnatural to our

[00:27:20] design and the consequences of eating excess sugars and oils or certain certain foods is creating

[00:27:32] a check engine light that we ignore that check engine light is pain anxiety depression

[00:27:38] hypertension diabetes autoimmune diseases and then when we're trying to figure out how to

[00:27:45] resolve it now we have a learned helplessness because we're expecting these practitioners

[00:27:51] that never learn about nutrition just show us how to get there and we don't know what to do other

[00:27:57] than to take the medication and or ignore it and this is problematic and this is why it's such

[00:28:03] a large dynamic issue and I always tell the patients here that have any kind of resentment

[00:28:13] towards the medical industry they have to somehow get your blood pressure and diabetes balance so

[00:28:20] they're going to give you medication because they can't come into your home and make sure you

[00:28:25] use a salad instead of macaroni and mashed potatoes and gravy they can't force you to get up and go

[00:28:33] to the gym they can't make sure you're in bed at 10 o'clock when your melatonin's eating

[00:28:37] and I can't get in and make sure that you're resolving your stress so in the moment when you're

[00:28:43] 50-60 your diabetes is showing up your hypertension is getting out of control the only thing they

[00:28:48] can do is give you that medicine because it's the fastest way to resolve it but it's not getting

[00:28:53] to the root problem the root problem starting when you were 20 and you were eating certain foods

[00:28:59] and you weren't going in the gym and you were creating mental, mental emotional patterns of anxiety

[00:29:06] and stress and then creating patterns that by eat when I get stressed or a smoke when I get

[00:29:10] stressed or I drink alcohol when I get stressed it's somehow it's the root challenge that we have

[00:29:19] to overcome as practitioners and more than anything we have to start introducing this to our

[00:29:24] patient base that it's not just about momentary resolve we have to figure out how to change a

[00:29:30] person's lifestyle which is not the easiest thing because you have to change their mindset and you

[00:29:36] have to educate them enough for them to understand why they need to make these changes and then

[00:29:42] you have to give them a sense of motivation you know somebody who's 40 or 50 to start going back

[00:29:48] to the gym and eating well they have to be able to see that the changes that they'll make at that

[00:29:53] age are going to benefit the next 34 years yeah and that reward system is so strong so I like what you

[00:30:05] said before it's like a monorotransformation someone has to go through and you mentioned this with

[00:30:11] like the change in taste buds and everything too of we you know yes apples oranges whatever citrus

[00:30:18] fruits sweet fruits they're they're all good and they taste good but then you find oreos and

[00:30:24] peanut butter on Alison and there's so much more to it and I think what people don't sometimes

[00:30:30] realize is there's food engineers out there that are creating these foods to be more addictive

[00:30:37] and to get us to eat more and make them more palatable and less filling so we eat more of them and

[00:30:42] it's just astounding what people don't realize and even with a lot of people that are trying to make

[00:30:49] these healthier decisions and find the less bad alternative they're still finding foods that are

[00:30:56] full of fillers and processed garbage so they can't do so I think you said somewhere along the

[00:31:03] line too it takes like six months to reprogram the sensory receptors of our taste buds yeah that's right

[00:31:10] for for certain foods like if you're in a high fat diet you're eating oils and fried chicken and

[00:31:18] things like that it's going to take you six months to not urine for those foods up to six months

[00:31:24] give or take but if your diet consists of potato chips and fried chickens in your eating

[00:31:31] your standard American diet you almost have to do without those foods for six months to truly

[00:31:36] wake up one morning or not have this yearning to go get or to be able to see a potato chip and

[00:31:44] be like I'm not interested in it and this is your brain the brain knows for me to survive

[00:31:51] and conserve my energy it's going to be better for me to eat the fried chicken this is where

[00:31:56] it's it's counterintuitive but the brain thinks that the the survival is in the fried chicken or

[00:32:03] the fried foods and not in the salads and the whole foods and to to neuro adapt that you have to

[00:32:12] take those fried those fats out for a long enough period of time to get the brains baseline back

[00:32:20] to eat the whole foods and start to feel that this is actually what's better for me

[00:32:26] and so with that being said the is it that the dopamine response that we've kind of engineered

[00:32:35] from some of these foods is just so much greater than what you would get from the natural

[00:32:41] you know organic orange or apple or whatever that we just our body says now associates

[00:32:47] well that gave me this high I need that high so I'm going to keep going after that food and

[00:32:52] it thinks that's what we need for survival was that we're just absolutely the the the

[00:32:56] dopamine mechanism rules it all it is what is the motivating factor to what we're chasing when

[00:33:04] we wake up in the morning and food is it's this the one thing that we're ignoring when we're thinking

[00:33:10] about addiction where it's not just alcohol or cigarettes or drugs the caloric dense and right

[00:33:19] their engineered foods are creating the dopamine response that all the healthy options just don't

[00:33:28] they're just not appealing to us anymore and so that's what if you go long enough on a whole

[00:33:35] food plan based diet you're neurodapt fasting kind of exponent exponentiates that where you don't

[00:33:43] have to wait six months and that's why we do we do water fasting is that that's a faster

[00:33:49] route than having to take for a six months to eat a whole new plant based diet or eat a nutrient

[00:33:55] dense diet to change your neuro cellular response and I always want it's it's easy I think

[00:34:03] for healthcare practitioners because we studied the body so deeply so we have a pretty good idea

[00:34:10] that yeah we look like a human but really I'm trading the cells that's what I am and all of these

[00:34:16] cells are responding to to what I eat now I move and how I think most people don't most people are

[00:34:25] separated from it there there really is is one of what I'm sure to understand is there's just a

[00:34:30] dissociation a person can't make the right choices most of the times if they don't have the education for it

[00:34:37] you can't it's not enough to even tell a person you need to eat healthy I really believe that you

[00:34:40] have to give them a little bit more depth into the education of what's happening what's

[00:34:45] shorter when you eat a certain way what's happening to the insulin and that little bipod starts

[00:34:52] to give enough make enough sense at when the person sees the cake you know versus the fruit

[00:34:59] there's a better chance that they'll understand why they shouldn't eat the cake

[00:35:03] and so yeah the clinic that I'm working at currently it's an inpatient clinic

[00:35:11] and there's now several that are just popping up everywhere and the idea is that let me take you

[00:35:16] out of your environment the one that is full of pizza and cookies and cocoa or whatever it is

[00:35:25] that's in your specific environment and we're just going to put you into a space where you're not

[00:35:31] going to have the smell of fried chicken and cooking and we're going to fast you and then after

[00:35:38] your done fasting we're going to feed the microbiome in your gut fiber-rich diet, micro-nutrient

[00:35:46] density all the things that the body needs and the cells need to thrive and what's going to happen is

[00:35:54] you're going to narrow adapt a lot faster that food after a two week fast I fastened for two weeks

[00:36:00] but you got you got shrimpers in here and they're like 60 70s and 80s they're fasting for 40 days

[00:36:06] they're not touching food for 40 days and at the end of it that salad to them is the most

[00:36:12] precious thing that I'll ever be it's like this the first time eating a watermelon is the

[00:36:16] tastiest thing in the world to them and as long as this as long as this person can stay on this

[00:36:24] this plan and not re-inchigrease this calorie rich foods they'll be fine

[00:36:30] the challenge surely though that I've recognized working here is to empower somebody to go home

[00:36:36] to then virus that they're in and to stay the course and the ones that do their blood pressure

[00:36:42] stays normal they're there 81 c stays down they're sugar stay normal and the ones that don't

[00:36:49] they have to come back next year or they have to show back up because they fall back into the pleasure

[00:36:54] track which is the evolutionary response to first survival and that's just how we're designed

[00:37:02] and societies built society is actually built against our favor because if societies were built

[00:37:12] for growth and human expansion we would have a lot more gyms everywhere we'd have a lot more

[00:37:17] healthy options of places to eat we would have meditation centers and places for us to

[00:37:22] to find calm but it's built off of the pleasure track because it's a great marketing tool I can

[00:37:28] sell you dopamine rich foods and and I can help you avoid pain through all of the bar and alcohol

[00:37:39] and then now we're entering a whole different level because it's a it's the motivation to try

[00:37:45] chase pleasure before you paint conserve energy this is how we survive and so now you don't

[00:37:53] even have to leave your home to get the calorie which through to your couch so that's those

[00:37:59] are that's the motivation to try it at its best and to get that person's ordering Uber from KFC

[00:38:06] to their couch while they're watching Netflix their brain is already now inundated with this is the

[00:38:13] easiest way to survive can you just mention what the motivational try it is one more time for

[00:38:18] listeners? motivational try the reason that you and I are sitting here Brett is because the design

[00:38:25] of our brain is to seek pleasure which is mostly in the form of sex and food that's that ensures

[00:38:32] our survival to avoid pain that assures that we don't die so any kind of threat and then to conserve

[00:38:41] energy to use energy only when needed and this is a very animalistic survival technique this is

[00:38:48] out all animal survival that's what's motivating them motivational try it seeking pleasure of

[00:38:53] avoiding pain conserve energy anybody who understands to improve health and well being or to just

[00:39:00] get stronger in the gym you do the opposite of those three things in order for me to be a better

[00:39:07] stronger man or human I actually have to postpone pleasure I can't eat that pizza even though

[00:39:13] I really want it right now I can't I got a lean in the pain going into the gym is actually going

[00:39:17] to feel a little bit stressful on my body and especially at first you know if you haven't been

[00:39:22] in the gym in a long time it's like oh your brain's like no you're not going in the gym you're

[00:39:27] going to sit right here in that couch that sounds that sounds stressful and you've got a lean you've got

[00:39:32] a spend energy that's how I'm going to improve my strength that's how I'm going to improve my

[00:39:39] well-being is I'm doing the opposite of what my brain's trying to tell me to do and this is where

[00:39:44] people fail is that they don't push beyond it they're just succumbing to the evolutionary response

[00:39:51] and if we lived in a tribal system that might have been fine where you had to go find food and

[00:39:58] after you find food you need a rest and and conserve energy but it's not the society and

[00:40:05] systems that we live in their full of pleasure they do everything to help us avoid pain and then

[00:40:11] where we are conserving energy at its finest in today's day-nage and if you're not mindful of it

[00:40:17] you're going to fall victim and have situated to it so growth and development and getting stronger

[00:40:24] and improving your your cellular fitness is going to require that you understand that system and

[00:40:32] you do the opposite most of the time and so when we're talking about taking someone and making

[00:40:39] all these big changes right I think we need to view food just like we view drugs and correct me

[00:40:46] from wrong here but it sounds like from what you're saying is you know we get this big dopamine

[00:40:53] hit and we're elevated elevated we keep spiking this dopamine level what happens at first of

[00:40:58] this person even if it's just with food right we have drug withdrawals for certain reasons maybe

[00:41:03] some of the same maybe some different but what what happens when someone goes into something like

[00:41:11] this and they just start you know they start having withdrawals and they're not getting that dopamine

[00:41:17] at all the time do they go into some acute depression like state or what happens there because

[00:41:24] there's there's a piece with environment there too that I'm curious of of I saw something cut came

[00:41:30] out a while ago I just read it somewhere on environment and that's effect on behaviors and habits

[00:41:37] and it showed that I think it was like 90% of Vietnam veterans went to war were doing heroin

[00:41:45] regularly while they were over there but 90% of them came back in completely broke their addiction

[00:41:53] to heroin just because what they summed it up was they weren't in the same environment that

[00:41:58] was causing them the stress to do the heroin right and I think that's why it's so important to look

[00:42:05] at the habit loops the cue routine rewards and to understand what the cue what that cue is

[00:42:14] and in certain environments you're going to be in a high stress situation so your routine again

[00:42:22] for survival is to potentially do that drug or to be able to to playkate that that cue with food or

[00:42:33] drugs or alcohol and so I mean I think that it's easier said than done for humans to change

[00:42:40] their environments that that particular example I think is a pretty in obvious stress cue

[00:42:47] situation and then you're coming back home and so I don't really need to resolve the stress of

[00:42:52] that environment but I think that looking at the cues of our environment is so important and I think

[00:43:00] it's extremely dynamic because the cue is not necessarily something outside of myself meaning that

[00:43:08] I have a stressful relationship or my boss and give him you a lot of stress for a lot of

[00:43:13] individuals the cue is coming from a belief pattern or a thought pattern that's creating a stress

[00:43:19] response in the body I'm not going to achieve my goals I'm not worthy enough I'm not good enough

[00:43:28] and I think like COVID and post-COVID you're looking at a whole different level of

[00:43:33] how people are finding value and self worth and so if the environment is if a person's having an

[00:43:40] internal cue so you have external cues of fider flight and then if the person's getting an

[00:43:46] internal cue fider flight and then I have easy access to either foods or drugs or whatever

[00:43:55] in my brain finds that cue or that solution or reward to that cue then I'm going to be more

[00:44:02] prone to stay in that pattern and have it and then that's going to be my technique that I use

[00:44:09] to resolve this cue again I'm always wanting to know what's the core imbalance here and that's

[00:44:14] really what I was doing as a practitioner as I was trying to go deeper and deeper until I

[00:44:18] really started to recognize the cue for so many humans was a thought emotion pattern that was

[00:44:24] creating a behavior to either resolve that cue in a dysfunctional pattern because there's

[00:44:33] functional ways to resolve cues if I'm having a stress response in my body then I could go for a

[00:44:40] run or I could meditate or I could be a friend but if my cue in my environment let's say everybody

[00:44:47] my family and all my friends they're managing their cues the same way they're going to grab a drink

[00:44:53] and or they're going to eat some dysfunctional unhealthy food then I'm most likely going to do

[00:45:00] the same thing and so somehow we have to be able to understand what our cues are and then

[00:45:08] what in what in my environment is propagating in me to make these dysfunctional choices and I'm

[00:45:16] all four humans changing their environments to thrive and that's easier said than done because a lot

[00:45:22] of times you have to dissociate from certain relationships or you have to quit your job or you

[00:45:28] have to go somewhere else and I know not everybody can do it but for those that can I usually

[00:45:34] recommend it because otherwise the consequences for a lot of humans are disease or depression anxiety

[00:45:47] and somehow the environment has to change and I think when I'm human truly values their

[00:45:54] well-being and their health it's easier for them to make those choices because I'm better to my

[00:45:59] family as a healthy thriving man than if I'm in the center of that tribe falling victim to the same

[00:46:08] trials and tribulations that they are and that's really where I mean honestly my father owned

[00:46:16] fast food restaurants and Texas and we grew up eating really rich foods I go home now and

[00:46:22] everybody's popping there they're met foreman where their diabetes medication and that wasn't

[00:46:28] the case 30 years ago but it's where everybody's going and my cousins that I grew up with that

[00:46:35] or in that environment have all game of significant amount of weight and they're all struggling to

[00:46:40] they're all following that same road and so when I go home I'm comparing good news that hey there is a

[00:46:46] there is a different route than this environmental choices that we have.

[00:46:53] Man's tribal too Brett you know it's because there is also an intrinsic fear in us

[00:47:00] to be exiled from the tribe that's so deep within us that fear of being exiled from the tribe

[00:47:06] drives so much of our our choices and our our motivation I'd rather stay with the tribe

[00:47:14] that's unhealthy forming than to venture off into the unknown because my nervous system is

[00:47:20] afraid to go into that space. I want to stop right there too and and talk about this for a minute

[00:47:26] because I think that's a big part of food especially we have the holidays coming up in things too so

[00:47:34] people's own inner critics in self expectations that they think other people expect from them

[00:47:41] are a big problem for people trying to lose weight and it's like oh I'm going to put this off

[00:47:46] from another three months until the holidays are over and it's like well why it's like whoa the holidays

[00:47:51] and it's like okay we have Thanksgiving and Christmas that's like four days of stuff.

[00:47:57] That's like well we have all these parties and things like so like I'm going to go to plenty of holiday

[00:48:02] parties I'm probably not going to eat the best food in the world but I don't have to sit there

[00:48:08] and stuff by face with everything I go have a little bit of this and a little bit of that

[00:48:14] but it's just like this social thing and I thought of this before I actually recently started

[00:48:19] intermittent fasting and complete psychological game changer of your relationship with food so

[00:48:25] I am a believer in intermittent fasting just because it just allows you to say no to things

[00:48:33] and it's just like yeah no I'm fasting right now whatever but like if you're at a party it's like

[00:48:38] what do I do with my hands if I don't have a food or a beer and my hands like how do I

[00:48:43] function with that right I think a lot of people don't know how to do that or don't know how to

[00:48:47] they're just so accustomed to doing it one way that they don't know how to possibly do it the

[00:48:54] other way and they never try. Right I uh yeah it's uh yeah it's interesting these yeah the

[00:49:02] need to belong or we're dealing with our own anxieties in the situation and our own insecurities

[00:49:09] and I love I love to help people move deeper into their mental emotional states and I think it's a

[00:49:17] a huge component when you're talking about health it's to not ignore that we're not just these

[00:49:22] physical bodies but I am a mental and emotional human too and so I'm making my choices based off

[00:49:30] of how I think and how I feel and no two humans are the same and that's really important I think

[00:49:38] to recognize too is that what works for one person's not the same formula for another like if you're

[00:49:46] at the gym all day and you're working out really well you're going to enter in a mental

[00:49:50] fast tomorrow you eating a slice of cake is not going to be the same as another human who has no

[00:49:57] movement practice at all and who has a lot of anxiety and stress and it's not going to enter

[00:50:03] in fast and so each person has to know their own mental emotional system pattern and how they're

[00:50:10] making choices they have to know their cues I feel like it's so valuable and important for a

[00:50:15] person to understand their patterning which means I have to understand the families I grew up in

[00:50:20] and how I'm making choices now for where I want to go in the future and so the the tribal bond

[00:50:28] holidays I totally understand it and I love I always reference James Clear James Clear's book

[00:50:36] at Tommy Habits because the fundamental point of that book is identity habits who am I

[00:50:45] because the person who is health conscious meaning my value and well being superseeds everything

[00:50:52] else it will be easier if I have a mindset and belief that I am a highly health conscious human

[00:51:00] and it will be easier for me to not overindulge or overie or to

[00:51:06] partake in things that are going to be unwel or unhealthy for my well being versus a person who

[00:51:13] has no identity to that at all that will be so easier for them to drink too much each too much

[00:51:18] wake up in the morning not go to the gym and the thing is people get trapped in these old

[00:51:23] identities because your mom and dad were that identity and I've been that identity for 30 years

[00:51:28] there's no way I can be an athletic healthy human so I don't even identify with that thought

[00:51:35] therefore when I'm making choices on the holidays it's easier for me to do the same thing

[00:51:40] that everybody else is doing and look around I mean if you're sitting if you're surrounded by

[00:51:45] group of humans that are in the best shape of their lives in their 40s and 50s and

[00:51:54] they're mentally emotionally thriving they probably have a totally different platter but I bet

[00:52:00] the most of the people around those those meals who are overindulging they're most likely

[00:52:05] obese diabetes and hypertension and so again it's comes down to being able to look at

[00:52:15] what are the choices I'm making today and is it a long to the identity of the human that I want

[00:52:20] to be and most humans are wanting to be healthy in the sense that I mean I it first rates me a

[00:52:30] little because this is a topic to where it's like I wish it was more about unhealthy but it is

[00:52:34] more I don't want to be fat or a lot of it is definitely tied to an aesthetic how do I look

[00:52:42] versus a deeper rooted I just want to thrive I want myself to thrive I want to feel energy

[00:52:49] when I wake up in the morning I want to feel good throughout my day. I think that's a huge point too

[00:52:56] of the you go to a party it's like well you know why do I mean this is okay well I'm trying to

[00:53:04] lose weight it's like oh no come on have this I'm gonna stereotype type here for a second but like

[00:53:09] you go to into a tally in family home like I one of my best friends growing up is a parents where

[00:53:13] are hardcore Italian and it's like you know you have to eat but then it's like you know when we

[00:53:20] were playing football or doing this and like the dad was the coach is like no no they can't eat that

[00:53:27] like you know they're gonna they're gonna make weight or get better shape for their positions or whatever

[00:53:33] and so it truly is it's like if you go somewhere and you're just telling yourself oh I'm trying

[00:53:37] to lose weight but I can I can give myself this or that leeway versus you're you're not identifying

[00:53:45] is anything there you're just telling yourself something you're trying to do versus telling yourself

[00:53:49] I am a healthy health-conscious person right you know it changes the way you think of yourself

[00:53:56] and also other people of like you know if some people might feel offended if you don't eat

[00:54:01] their food but it's like oh he's an athlete or he's this and that they might think of you

[00:54:06] dear friendly or people people think within themselves their inner critics says this person's going to

[00:54:10] think of me different really it doesn't matter if like if someone is is exiling you from the

[00:54:17] tribe because of your food choice or lack they're of like it's probably not the environment you

[00:54:22] want to be spending your time in anyways because that doesn't change who you are as a person

[00:54:25] and that doesn't that shouldn't affect their life yeah I think yeah mindset's huge and I think

[00:54:31] really developing this dog mindset too of like these are just this is who I am these are the choices

[00:54:38] I made you know I think that there's extreme value and in being able to override the the cue or

[00:54:46] the sensation of what you feel when you're in social environments the social component makes

[00:54:51] makes so much influence in how we're making choices and it's not easy to say I can just not care

[00:54:58] what people think some people I think are just intrinsically good at it and being able to be in any

[00:55:03] environment and not care what people think but most humans are evolutionary tied to to the opinion of others

[00:55:12] and it's easier when I have an identity of yeah these are all esteemed dynamics this is

[00:55:19] nearly like it's a it's a whole psychology and it's interesting because your own family members will

[00:55:25] sabotage your choices when you're making these changes because you're triggering their inner

[00:55:31] critic the second they see that you skipped certain unhealthy foods or you're eating well

[00:55:38] you're triggering something in that person's brain as to why am I not doing the same thing

[00:55:42] the security or the safety mechanism there isn't okay great I'm going to do the same thing as you

[00:55:48] I'm going to marry your pattern it's I'm going to say something to make you feel bad so that way I can

[00:55:53] I'm trying that human also is trying to get rid of a cute pattern they're getting

[00:55:58] queued by you eating healthy and their routine is is to make you feel bad and then there's some

[00:56:04] reward in it for them and if we had a highly mindful conscious conscientious and we had a

[00:56:11] awareness of the psychological underlays then we'd be able to say oh so and so is doing something good

[00:56:19] for them self I'm going to mirror that pattern you know and then as you see different if and this

[00:56:26] does happen as well when you do have a family member that recognizes and sees like so and so is

[00:56:31] improving their well being and they jump on the train you'll see another family member and then

[00:56:35] that whole thing kind of shifts now you're seeing that the mirroring is coming from this different way

[00:56:41] as opposed to the old pattern of like this is how we stay safe this is how we eat as a family and

[00:56:49] we really don't want somebody coming in here and shaking up our routine this is our identity this

[00:56:54] is how we live for decades this is our ancestors live who are you to come and say you're

[00:56:58] going to eat the pasta or the lasagna anymore you don't want cheese on it it just triggers

[00:57:04] patterns people get highly adapted to who they are and the identities don't really want to change

[00:57:10] they want to stay to say safety mechanism that's like so counterintuitive to most people's beliefs but

[00:57:17] I think that that's the nail on the head and what's funny is if you stay the course six months later

[00:57:25] you start dropping weight left and right all these people that were criticizing you six months ago

[00:57:31] are now going to be asking you hey what are you doing like what changed for you what different

[00:57:35] things are you what dire you're doing and it's like oh now you want to know and yeah now they

[00:57:40] start slowly jumping on the bandwagon trying this and that and so realizing that yeah when

[00:57:45] when you are getting criticized by people for making the harder decision that's better for you

[00:57:52] it's not that they hate you or their matter upset at you it's that this is something they know

[00:57:58] they need that they don't want yeah and they don't want it because it's hard and they want to make

[00:58:03] they want to make you equivalent to one another right don't they don't want to see you progress

[00:58:08] past them because yeah probably from a primal standpoint we all want to be the dominant creature in our

[00:58:14] drive absolutely so really interesting there and then from that environmental standpoint

[00:58:25] how do we navigate navigate that at home for people so you know that's one of the big

[00:58:31] objections we get in the gym all the time is like hey I'm ready to make a change in this

[00:58:36] and that but the objection is well my wife or my husband or partner whatever or my kids like

[00:58:41] I have to go for them and they'll never eat this way and they're not open to this how do

[00:58:46] how do people navigate that conversation with their partners or start to do things for themselves

[00:58:52] and you know what happens you gotta get you guys gotta get rid of them you can just get into the

[00:58:57] kick the kids out no no pizza here I think I think that you just poor playing you know it

[00:59:08] just forgot to put the five seven peas this is a piece piss poor cleaning was it

[00:59:15] I something like that I wasn't in the army but it was piss poor planning prevents

[00:59:24] or else I think anyway though it's it's basically you want to you want to be prepped

[00:59:32] you want to have a strategy for success if you are not prepped you aren't going to fail

[00:59:37] most likely you want to be prepared and for individuals that are ready that's why I'm meal

[00:59:43] prepping is so it's so important or two days out of the week where you are preparing the meals

[00:59:52] that are that are going to benefit you and so you also want to be highly mindful of making sure

[00:59:59] your glucose does not drop and so once that glucose drops you're going into primal mode you

[01:00:06] your brain will override the prefrontal cortex so the decision making part of your brain

[01:00:11] oh yeah this is why I've been doing all these things because I want to be healthier and I want to

[01:00:17] I want to feel more invigorated and I don't want to get diabetes or I'm trying to resolve my

[01:00:21] hypertension when your glucose drops it doesn't care about all of those things it just wants to survive

[01:00:26] and so if there's a piece of pizza there you're going to eat it but if you have balanced your glucose

[01:00:32] and you have eaten a bowl of black beans with brown rice and avocado and whatever your protein is

[01:00:41] then you are balancing that glucose you're most likely not going to eat the potato chips in the

[01:00:46] pizza that your kids are eating. Still easier to send than done for individuals that can the

[01:00:52] environment is pristine it's just not in the environment but I do understand a refinite especially

[01:00:58] from our patient-based these women or these humans are going back home and they're having to

[01:01:02] cook for their family and they really want to succeed and so some of them their their spouses are

[01:01:08] putting locks on our fridge or they get a totally different fridge for them. I mean some of them

[01:01:12] are going to such a strict extreme because it is such an addiction it is so hard for some humans to change

[01:01:19] that they're trying to figure out how do I succeed in these environments and so what I

[01:01:24] would have recognized and I've noticed is those humans that are prepped and they're prepared

[01:01:29] and they I have the seven peas here but can you tell me please okay I'll prop

[01:01:36] replanting and preparation prevent piss poor performance seven fees I think I would need to

[01:01:43] remember the seven fees can you say it again? Proper planning and preparation prevent piss poor

[01:01:49] performance. That's right yeah I think that humans should to look at their health and well-being

[01:01:55] as other the CEO of the company you can't win it you can't just say you know what to I'm going to

[01:02:02] figure it out when I wake up in the morning. I pull out the calendars pulled out when am I going

[01:02:08] to the grocery store what days am I cooking? I know if I'm taking taking the kids to soccer or

[01:02:15] something like that I have my bag of food in my in my in my bag with me and then what am I going to

[01:02:22] do when I go to so and so is dinner party? Eat before you go for sure and already be satiated

[01:02:29] so that whenever you go if there's nothing that you can eat you can navigate around it and then

[01:02:35] there's psychological tools that we use here and you don't have to explain yourself always

[01:02:40] encourage humans not to feel like they have to explain their lifestyle eating habits to anybody

[01:02:46] you just say you know this is what meaning my doctor think is best for me and it's working for me right now

[01:02:53] you're trying not to trigger anybody's credit you're trying not to trigger anybody's

[01:02:57] explanation and you're just really saying you know for now this is what my doctor think is best

[01:03:03] and I'm just going to try it out and see how it works so you're not trying to engage and then

[01:03:08] just answer something you said earlier yeah get a get a cup of carbonated water in line

[01:03:18] and something in that cup to hold when you go to those parties eat before you go

[01:03:25] and have a list of the foods that you'll eat when you get there but more importantly than anything

[01:03:31] is to visualize the human that you're trying to become like visualize the the physique that you

[01:03:40] desire visualize how it feels to be out of pain visualize what it feels like when you look in the

[01:03:46] mirror and you love what you see you know visualize when you go to go shopping for your clothes

[01:03:52] to get something that fits so good because we forget those we forget the reasons why we're doing

[01:03:59] it in those social situations and it's so much easier to fall victim to or to fall back in

[01:04:05] old patterns you have to remember why you're making these changes because one day you wake up

[01:04:11] and when you haven't achieved the physique that you want you feel good in your body loving

[01:04:15] you're looking at it's because you had the courage to overcome the holiday parties or the birthday

[01:04:23] parties or the donuts in the break room at work and that's when you start to reinforce and get

[01:04:33] the momentum of this is who I am and so when you go back to those parties they just oh no oh that's

[01:04:39] so and so that's how they either so good and they're they're so impressive they're so discipline

[01:04:44] that's what they start saying about you but when you start that journey you're going to get the

[01:04:48] ridicule you're going to have to face the fear and you're going to have to face mostly your own

[01:04:53] interview that's what most people are facing anyways they're just facing the shadows within and

[01:04:58] and you want to have the resilience and the grit to overcome the fear that's coming in that saying

[01:05:05] that you'll be exiled from the group you'll be rejected from the group and whatever it is whatever else

[01:05:10] is deeply responding is that future vision is I'm doing all of this and then for family members it's

[01:05:19] even more important because you're not just doing that for yourself you're doing it for your children

[01:05:23] because they're also learning from your unconsciousness so if your children are eating it there's no

[01:05:28] parent they would ever want their kids to grow up to have diabetes and hypertension but if that's

[01:05:34] the patterns you're in they're going to learn the same patterns and so the changes we're making

[01:05:40] are definitively for ourself but for their further people that we love for our kids for our family

[01:05:45] members and my dad just got two cents put in you know I am appalled at the fact that he hasn't

[01:05:55] come out here yet and then it's taking him few cents to find the book is taken to come out

[01:06:00] you're just staying for two months and again it's just it's just an outcome where people make the

[01:06:07] changes when death comes knocking on the door when things get severe is when we make the changes

[01:06:12] that encourage humans do it before that happens reversing disease and these preventable conditions

[01:06:22] takes so much energy to then preventing it if I could just have you moving better and

[01:06:28] prevent you from doing it it's just so much harder once your body goes into these protective

[01:06:34] mechanisms or our disease states but I mean it's it's clockwork when these humans come here the

[01:06:43] at the risk of roccess dissolves on their arterial walls and so I don't want to argue about like

[01:06:51] what's the best diet but if you have a system if you have these conditions something you're doing

[01:06:58] is incorrect and it's like clockwork and it's evidence based I mean there's all the evidence is

[01:07:05] suggesting that a whole food plant base is diet is going to reverse your cardiovascular disease

[01:07:11] it's the best thing that it's the best thing out there and that is I think the most important

[01:07:19] thing to recognize is what I'm doing how did I get to where I'm at it didn't work pivot and shift

[01:07:26] what do I need to do and don't wait till it's too drastic to make those changes.

[01:07:31] Yeah and and making those changes keep those changes are hard too so like for me I actually

[01:07:37] I just recently lost I think I'm down 37 pounds now so it came from there was a lot of health stuff

[01:07:44] going on a lot of stress in my life not the ideal living environment I changed that living environment

[01:07:50] right there was some genetic components too of like I did some genetic testing and found like

[01:07:56] I have I need to be in more of a significant the caloric deficit than most people I also needed to

[01:08:01] carry out so start doing those things and then I moved and I did meal prep and for a lot of people

[01:08:06] out there they think meal prep is super expensive and it's not because what I've actually found

[01:08:11] is instead of me going to the grocery store thinking I need this that the other and making all these

[01:08:16] extra things and then there's yeah the Oreos in front of you and the cheese and it's in all my favorite

[01:08:20] snacks right my my meals just get delivered so I wake up I do like the 168 intermittent

[01:08:27] fastest so I don't do breakfast I go to work I go to the store I buy a couple snacks cost me like

[01:08:33] $20 a week right I got my meal prep it's like $13 a meal and then I actually save a bunch of

[01:08:38] money so instead of spending like $150 to $200 a week at the grocery store I think I spend like

[01:08:43] $100 now a week on meal prep and I'm saving food I'm eating better I'm losing weight I'm

[01:08:51] achieving my goals but what happened a few weeks ago was I had some friends over and one of my old

[01:08:57] habits was I would eat before bed because I just felt hungry right and and I moved out and

[01:09:03] got my own place here and I just had my meal prep and that was it I had that and I had a thing

[01:09:08] of peanut butter in this thing I wasn't really living like a civilized human being for a while

[01:09:12] but I had friends come over and somebody left the bag like little pretzel sticks and it's like

[01:09:18] just walking by it's like oh I need a handful of these and it's like oh I'm gonna do that before

[01:09:24] bad then go back and you know what I need another handful of that right and I did like three or

[01:09:28] four nights I was like this is fucking hard and I can't I was like I need to get rid of these things

[01:09:34] and I was like just these little triggers that are in there I've like get these out of here and I'm

[01:09:38] it's easy to lose weight now that I'm in an environment like that but I think at home too it's like

[01:09:42] yeah we need to just get rid of these foods do the preparation no what you're gonna eat

[01:09:47] and then move forward with it instead of like keeping these things or buying these things for

[01:09:52] the kids and this and that because you know you're gonna eat it too yeah super important

[01:09:59] environment so important yeah super important for us to do that and we're just a series of

[01:10:07] patterns really because even like eating even eating the eating late things interesting because

[01:10:12] we're we're neuro chemical patterns and so every choice we make

[01:10:18] the brains expecting that glucose dip at nine o'clock or 10 o'clock you know even like the

[01:10:25] the circadians of like how we feed in when we feed or so important and so if we do any

[01:10:30] behavior long enough it's eight o'clock and then you know I'm getting a growing kick you know my

[01:10:37] brains my hormones coming in being like hey where's that sugar that usually is 10 o'clock

[01:10:43] yep and so I'm on autopilot trying to figure out oh I'm hungry and that's like it's interesting

[01:10:49] because you almost can't shut it off yeah you can't I couldn't go to bed for a while and then it

[01:10:53] took me like a week my dietitian that I was working with is like stop doing this and like you

[01:10:57] probably start losing weight because you're just eating too close to bed yeah amazingly that happened

[01:11:02] but you mentioned something else before um about realizing when we're eating and why we're eating

[01:11:09] and being in these social situations it was halt so um it was uh my hungry my angry and my

[01:11:17] lonely or my tired it's all right and I think for a lot of people we live such a busy life now

[01:11:23] too there's no mindfulness about why are we gonna pick this piece of food up and eat it is it

[01:11:29] that I'm actually hungry like you just said too is this just a psychological habit trigger that I

[01:11:35] have telling me hey it's nine o'clock the time for food because you've just been doing this for three

[01:11:39] years or is this just your appetite right your psychological appetite versus physiological hunger

[01:11:45] that's kicking in. What I love about what I love about the fasting protocols we use here

[01:11:52] because on day two to three your body's not using glucose primarily anymore you take a

[01:11:59] urine analysis we'll see your in full body ketosis by day three four that changes growing in

[01:12:06] leptins feedback mechanism you're not using it anymore the body's not worried about

[01:12:12] glucose dipping and then sending it in a warm-one to get you to eat again like all of it's being

[01:12:16] driven for behavior the neural the cellular system is basically puppeteering us through hormones

[01:12:23] and chemicals and go eat now and so on day three we fast when ketones hit that's inefficient

[01:12:29] energy energy molecule so it's almost like the whole nervous system from axes and it's like

[01:12:34] I've got our food refined so the red and leptin feedback diminishes and so you don't have this like

[01:12:41] hunger you don't have this constant drive and what I would I appreciate about like a five to

[01:12:48] eight day fast ideally I mean when you get deeper into it's really when you recognize

[01:12:53] I'm not hungry I don't need it you really start to understand like I don't even need food because

[01:13:00] most times you don't need energy because you have especially if you have enough stored energy

[01:13:06] on your body a ket a fat stores that's energy you know you look at us from an evolutionary standpoint

[01:13:15] we went through famine we're designed so impressively that the body understood that we had

[01:13:19] famine periods and so we would have stored fat that we could use in case death was imminent because

[01:13:26] we couldn't find food and so in most cases even when sugar drops you're fine you're fine but

[01:13:34] that chemical hormone is so strong it is shutting off your brain and it's just having you walk

[01:13:40] or drive to the grocery store to get food when more times are not you don't need it.

[01:13:46] I want to ask you about this for a second because I used to date a girl that like any time we'd go

[01:13:52] anywhere was like every two hours she needed it was like like as if someone was having like an

[01:13:56] allergic reaction needed benadrill it was like this girl needed food.

[01:13:59] She thought so and she was a dresser out there. I don't know you get nervous but it was like

[01:14:11] she thought she was going to go into like a diabetic shock all the time and I think

[01:14:15] is this just another thing so this is kind of like I don't think she was dying or she

[01:14:21] you know she actually went and got blood work done so you're not a diabetic you're fine

[01:14:25] so some patterns she developed in or for sure. Yeah I'm just like we need like frequent

[01:14:33] eating when like really like and for a lot of people out there they're like oh well I'm really

[01:14:37] hungrier I'm really tired like I need food and it's like but do you or is this just a psychological

[01:14:43] trigger in your head telling you you do when like let's let that pass because for me now I know

[01:14:50] with the intermittent fasting that I do I still feel like I'm hungry like every day about

[01:14:58] between nine and 10 o'clock I will get this feeling of hunger in my stomach and at last you know

[01:15:04] I'll drink some water it you know let about 15 minutes past and it's gone and then sometimes

[01:15:09] I've gone I've done a 24 hour fast once kind of by accident but you know I'll get till

[01:15:17] sometimes four o'clock in the afternoon because I'm busy and it's like and I'm not even hungry anymore

[01:15:22] and I think it's it's really empowering to realize that like I don't need to be bi-aggressorist

[01:15:28] or I don't need to be standing by the fridge all day I can go out and do this and not worry about it

[01:15:34] and that I have enough fuel on my body to do the things I still need to do I can still work

[01:15:39] out in a fast and state where like we've put so much on eating before workouts in this and that

[01:15:44] which sometimes like someone's new to working out yeah you probably want to eat a banana or something before

[01:15:49] to work out but for a lot of people too it's I think worse and tell me if I'm wrong here but

[01:15:58] we put so much glucose on our body all the time and we're just feeding off of sugar in

[01:16:04] glycolysis where you start fasting and a lot of people look I can't fast like

[01:16:10] headaches I get this and that yeah or it's like let's give it a few days we have all these

[01:16:16] other energy systems in the body that are just dormant right you haven't used in years and like

[01:16:22] your body's trying to rewire and figure those things out and get them back online.

[01:16:26] You're going to go you're going to go your glycogen stores in your liver and your muscle

[01:16:30] once your glucose is used up most people want even get to that state they're just going to

[01:16:35] keep on the system of as soon as I get a little bit of dip I'm going to put more sugar and

[01:16:39] I'm going to put more carbs and I'm going to just stay there and I never really get to a

[01:16:44] point where I'm using liver or reserves or glycogen reserves and then when you get through those

[01:16:49] is when the body's like oh let's go get that fat and so there's a couple different mechanisms

[01:16:54] too your your bodies using your glycogen mostly during active state and then you do

[01:17:01] your into fat metabolism whenever you're sleeping and sleep is huge too such as huge component

[01:17:09] you know and it's like so challenging for humans today because our YouTube shorts or Instagram

[01:17:17] shorts just keep us wired you know so you're not really getting into that deep sleep but

[01:17:24] but it's definitely a mechanism and a system when people never even allow themselves to get into

[01:17:32] a fasted state because they're just I didn't even go as far as to say imprisoned in their own

[01:17:40] chemical mechanisms and that's what I love about fasting it's beneficial because it

[01:17:47] kills off dead cells repairs mitochondria I mean it's huge benefits be deenath improves

[01:17:55] brain drive neuro tropic factor and so all of these things are improving brain function and memory

[01:18:00] and learning it's cleaning out the the microbiome and your intestinal wall I mean they're the benefits

[01:18:07] are impressive and when you are capable of doing it you're oh and so yeah and so your body is

[01:18:17] killing off these dead cells and most of us want to wouldn't even get to that place because we're

[01:18:22] kind of imprisoned in that loop but when you fast what I recognize is it's a gives a person and

[01:18:28] mental resilience that I feel like they've never had since never actually you know most people have

[01:18:33] eaten three to four meals a day since they were kids and then all of a sudden I haven't eaten in five

[01:18:38] days I've eaten in two weeks I haven't eaten in in a month I mean it's it's impressive to

[01:18:45] a person recognizes this this epiphany of oh wow I actually have this physiological capability

[01:18:55] of going without food it's so then when you go back into the world it's so much easier to say

[01:19:01] I'm not hungry or I don't need to eat that or I don't want to eat that because your nervous system

[01:19:08] and the dopamine system doesn't override your choices it gives you sovereignty and this is what

[01:19:13] I recognize on my own fast there was the first time I felt like I had sovereignty in my choice

[01:19:20] that I didn't have to eat because a neurochemical said or hormone said it's time to go eat

[01:19:27] I I had this choice this empowered choice and I think it's why every culture and history has

[01:19:34] fastened in the past and I think because of the systems and the society we live in today

[01:19:39] fasting is highly beneficial because it gives the gut arrest your immune systems in your gut

[01:19:46] your serotonin's built in your gut that's the happy molecule and so when we're eating specific

[01:19:51] and especially when we're eating these high-processed grain foods your gut is just working

[01:19:56] and working and working all day long and you can't figure out why you're tired is because your energy

[01:20:02] is being used to digest food all day long you get no respite so yeah so it's really important

[01:20:11] I think to start to educate individuals on how they eat and to look at fasting I mean

[01:20:18] fastings are main modality here and now the science is just backing it up and it's a matter of

[01:20:24] time that you're going to start seeing it in more in more clinical systems and the food is something

[01:20:32] that cannot be ignored by the medical system we can't keep the information from the public people

[01:20:38] have to know that their health and well-being is based off of what they're putting into their body

[01:20:45] and I like to take a step further where it's for me I can understand and see that on a cellular

[01:20:52] system and its input output my cells are going to respond to the input and if I haven't changed

[01:20:58] or I'm not feeling good mentally emotionally physically what am I putting into it

[01:21:03] as far as food goes as far as stress and anxiety goes I encourage people to look at their

[01:21:08] thought patterns and their emotional patterns mostly their thought patterns because it dictates

[01:21:12] their emotional patterns and so if a person has a dysfunction and how they think if they're thinking

[01:21:18] all day long on whether it was called ants, autonomic, automatic, negative thoughts

[01:21:24] if you're sitting constantly thinking of the worst case scenario or you're looking at life as

[01:21:29] what was me I'm not good enough I'm not beautiful enough or whatever those thoughts are that

[01:21:34] to create an instant cortisol response in your body then that has to be resolved and the thing

[01:21:41] about medicine and health is no means really driving people to look deeper into how they're thinking

[01:21:48] and then how they're how long they're staying in a thought process that's creating stress in their

[01:21:53] body and so all of these things are bringing us to physiology I'm more concerned and how does my

[01:22:02] thoughts what is it putting into my bloodstream is it putting cortisol on a adrenaline in there

[01:22:07] because I'm thinking if you're doing something what is the food putting into my bloodstream

[01:22:12] what is the environment what air I'm breathing putting into my bloodstream because the blood

[01:22:17] is the river that's going to every cell in my body it's the information that's

[01:22:22] that's being sucked up by myself and by the genes of my cells and that information is going into

[01:22:30] my nervous system which is dictating my choices how I think how I feel and so people get trapped

[01:22:38] they're thinking negative they get stuck in emotional cortisol loops they're eating foods

[01:22:43] to resolve it and you're just in prison here and so somehow changing environment, fasting or

[01:22:50] whatever it is it's how do I remove myself from that self-induced prison to free my to free

[01:22:57] myself from this addiction that I'm in yeah and so much of it still comes back to that like

[01:23:03] social judgment piece there of like you need to realize when you're trying to do this and make these

[01:23:08] changes like if someone's putting you down for it it's like you are the strong person here you're

[01:23:14] doing what you need to do or want to do to be there and they just don't want to do that and

[01:23:21] you know people will make comments it's like oh you're making me feel uncomfortable it's like

[01:23:25] well why does me eating or not eating or choosing to eat this versus that change the way you

[01:23:30] feel because if it does then you have a problem because yeah we are social creatures like

[01:23:38] we're not meant to just sit and eat together all the time we're meant to talk and communicate so

[01:23:42] create so so as a person who's struggling with these things we need to think about these things

[01:23:47] of like hey this isn't me this is them and this is them projecting themselves onto me

[01:23:53] have you ever read the four agreements? that's a great bucket anyone out there

[01:23:59] that's struggling with this I think that's a great book for you to get a new understanding of

[01:24:04] the people around you and how they might be influencing you and how you can be a better human yourself

[01:24:09] but even you know the excuses thing is really important too I think because even for me just

[01:24:14] hearing it now and thinking about myself of like yes certain social situations I might eat differently

[01:24:21] but now I have a weightlifting meet coming up in five weeks and I had a goal of getting back

[01:24:29] to my former weight class I was in and so for me I'm going to go in these social situations

[01:24:34] and I'm still going to eat something you know because I'm probably going to be hungry just

[01:24:40] need calories at that point but I'm going to there's a stopping point for me and then say oh why

[01:24:45] are you going to have dessert or have another drink or this now it's like I have a meet coming up

[01:24:49] and my motivation is there so it's like yeah people have to think and visualize and like have

[01:24:54] their motivations that I think are really important now that I'm thinking of it right

[01:24:57] of what do you do in this foreign why or why do you need that piece of cake or that extra

[01:25:03] drink or alcohol when it's just like for me the motivation is as enough for me to not

[01:25:10] to get back to that weight to compete to do it do what I said I was going to do

[01:25:15] that completely in my mind negates any fact of anyone caring of what I'm doing because I have

[01:25:23] a bigger thing than this you know that I'm trying to get to then this little party or social

[01:25:27] gathering I'm at and I think people need to realize that it's like it doesn't matter what you're

[01:25:31] doing like have something to say you know to avoid engaging with it but just realize like your

[01:25:37] motivation is better than anything else out there to keep you away from these things and just start

[01:25:42] to rethink why you're there right yeah I think the saying you know you are a

[01:25:50] conglomeration or the five people that you spend your time with and when you know who you want

[01:25:56] to be and you know how you want to live you want to find that community and so one of the things

[01:26:01] that we teach here is is developing and cheerleading the community for whenever they go back home

[01:26:08] and it's not to say dissociate or remove yourself from the family and the friends that you have

[01:26:14] you're just adding another layer of people that are influencing you and you know it's like

[01:26:21] this idea if I want to be an millionaire I want to hang out with millionaires if I want to be a

[01:26:26] bodybuilder I better hang out with bodybuilders one of my good news you're sitting at you know

[01:26:31] fast food join it you know two o'clock in the morning if I want to improve my health and well

[01:26:36] being what do you do those people who are those people what do they look like where they eating

[01:26:41] how are they thinking how are they sleeping and then I'm going to find myself in those environments

[01:26:46] in those communities so that way again my nervous system can mirror it and learn from it and I want

[01:26:54] to be able to bring that information back to my family to the people I love but it also means

[01:27:01] that it's going to it's going to look a little bit different depending a little less time there

[01:27:05] we're going to spend a little bit more time in spaces and situations that are growing me

[01:27:09] because I think that at the core of who we are as humans it's a it's that we want to create

[01:27:15] and we want to expand and if I'm in the same situation reading the same books do in the same thing

[01:27:22] I'm going to plateau and humans have the potential to become extravagant beings and I think people

[01:27:31] think that that's for someone else that it's not for you and that's really a sad thing and I

[01:27:37] and I see it all the time that people's minds convince them that that greatness is meant for someone else

[01:27:45] and every story every heart heart warming movie we watch it was just a regular person just like

[01:27:55] you and me and like all the other humans that have a spirit in them that has to override

[01:28:02] the old patterns and the fear and so for me as I get older my interest is in understanding my own

[01:28:10] limitations and my own mental restrictions and my own fears until lean into that every day I'm not

[01:28:16] I'm less interested in chasing what I thought was important when I'm graduated from undergrad

[01:28:24] to chase just the dollar I'm chasing my my potential in order to do it every book from

[01:28:31] Ryan Holiday everybody saying the same thing is that we're all facing the same shadows of fear

[01:28:37] and it's easy to project on somebody else and to call somebody else out to make somebody else feel

[01:28:43] bad but at the end of the day everybody knows that they're going to bed with their own thoughts

[01:28:47] in their own limitations and when you wake up in the morning you have 24 hours to face the

[01:28:54] truth to take accountability and leave your ego at the door because at one day we're all going to

[01:29:00] be six feet under and the question is did you reach your potential or did you not or did

[01:29:05] you have a series of mechanisms of trying to feel good or make your ego feel good so

[01:29:13] the reason I encourage people to be healthy is not to avoid pain and disease is to be healthy

[01:29:21] so that way you can experience the divinity and the beauty of life I was at your cemetery the other

[01:29:27] day and I tracked up this this your cemity falls and like it was the most serene

[01:29:35] picture-rest thing I've ever seen in my life and it's vital like what's going on in the world

[01:29:40] I was able to hold this gratitude for so long and just to be able to sit in and be like this is why

[01:29:46] I'm eating the right foods this is why I go to the gym every day because when I'm 70 and 80

[01:29:51] I want to be able to keep doing the same thing I want to be experiencing the blessings of

[01:29:56] what life is and I'm sitting with the friend and I want more of those experiences and for that

[01:30:01] I am more inclined to make the right choices and I also have the benefit of working with the

[01:30:07] population that has not made your choices for most of their life and so I have a pretty good

[01:30:13] pain awareness in the fight don't make the right choices I'm walking that same road

[01:30:19] I'm going to be somebody who's having a deal with cardiovascular issues joint pain

[01:30:25] roomitory arthritis you name it because I wasn't able to rain in my choices in my 20s and 30s and 40s

[01:30:33] and I have two more quick things for us here so just for people out there like mindfulness

[01:30:44] attention and thinking before eating what can we say about that because I kind of kind of spun around

[01:30:50] a little bit there but we live such a fast life and people just eat because it's there or it's

[01:30:54] putting front of them or it's just like what we do when like I don't know if anyone actually these

[01:30:59] days stops and things about like that halt to new monarch you have their acronym of you know

[01:31:05] am I hungry my angry my lonely am I tired so when when should we be thinking it should we be

[01:31:11] thinking these things every time anytime we go to eat food or what is the deal there?

[01:31:18] I think it's I think it's really important to know your pattern means in your day and

[01:31:24] that's really the idea is that for most of us living pretty good patterns what I'm wake up

[01:31:29] what time we're having breakfast and then there's the outliers of when somebody's going to

[01:31:38] a dinner party or it's a holiday season that's really when you want to have a little bit more

[01:31:46] awareness of where you're gonna derail some people are so well and they're in their habits

[01:31:53] that you can put them in a holiday party and they won't they won't eat something so it's really

[01:31:59] important that everybody knows themself and they know how they are around food they know their

[01:32:05] own addictions I always want people to know what is your conscious dysfunction and then to

[01:32:12] start becoming aware of your unconscious dysfunction you want to ask yourself what don't I know

[01:32:17] that I don't know what are the patterns that I are in my subconscious or unconscious and that's why

[01:32:23] I like mindfulness and meditation it's not about finding their vana it's about can I observe

[01:32:29] how I have programmed this body to respond in a 24 hour span how is it making its choices

[01:32:39] and if I'm where I'm supposed to be and I feel really good in my body and I feel strong my relationships

[01:32:44] are good and I'm feeling on top of the world I'm probably not pretty good patterns I

[01:32:47] probably don't need to worry about too many things but if I have check engine lights that are on

[01:32:52] and I feel about core goal after I even want to go to bed at night I'm feeling anxiety when I wake

[01:32:57] up in the morning I feel exhausted and tired that means your the brilliant body is giving you a

[01:33:03] check engine light and if I have a check engine light in my car guess what I'm going to do

[01:33:06] I'm going to take it to the mechanic with humans or check engine lights been on and we just kind of

[01:33:12] put a little piece of tape over it we're going to ignore it you know and that can't be done the

[01:33:17] body is constantly talking to us it's constantly telling us this works this doesn't work

[01:33:25] this feels good that doesn't feel good and that's where I said the dopamine system is a little bit

[01:33:31] sinister because it gives you a burst of feel good but longevity or an an outcome really you

[01:33:40] don't feel so good it's these little feedback systems are like as humans we just really shouldn't be

[01:33:48] feeling exhausted I shouldn't be having pain in my body all of the time I shouldn't feel this

[01:33:56] brain fog this is not how we're designed when you look at the system if I were to put diesel

[01:34:02] fuel into my Ferrari and try to drive it on a mountain side it's nothing is wrong with the Ferrari

[01:34:09] it's that I'm not treating the intention of a Ferrari as it's intended in the same thing with humans if

[01:34:16] I am feeding it too much sugar oil or or process fuser making it have or putting too much poison

[01:34:24] in it from like too much alcohol if it's staying up to three and I'm ignoring the melatonin

[01:34:30] and in cortisol sleep wake systems and I'm feeling tired I want to say I might be doing something

[01:34:39] that's not intended for this body what is my check-in gelite saying my mindfulness is

[01:34:47] you know if you're in a state where your check engine lights on and you know that is potentially

[01:34:54] something that something in your environment is not making you because making you feel not so good

[01:34:59] then you want to be mindful of what you're eating every time and then there's a whole level of like

[01:35:04] and you know elimination diets where you just take everything out and then you're super mindful of

[01:35:11] how to feel better when I took all these foods out and then when I put that thing back in how

[01:35:17] did that make me feel I mean there's some fun and some people or lactose intolerant you can't just

[01:35:22] you can't take in lactose and expect that the enzyme is going to break it down if you're

[01:35:27] intolerant to it you know that's acid. Yeah and so the thought just went right over my head

[01:35:41] anyways yeah on the my next one maybe we'll come back to me but one of the last big things I have is

[01:35:51] with all we just talked about with behavior change habits, habit loops, the reward system.

[01:35:58] Oh this is what I was going to say actually it's been in the reward system. You know people start

[01:36:03] dieting all the time like I feel great this and that and then they fall off and so sometimes it's

[01:36:08] like I think people might just be telling themselves they feel really good but much like a drug addict

[01:36:13] this is what I alluded to before of say someone keeps their environment the same but they're trying

[01:36:18] to do all this new diet stuff. Is there a dopamine withdrawal that's going to make someone

[01:36:24] feel shitty and want these foods even more and more for a period of time or feel lefthargic the

[01:36:30] pressed foggy. Yeah definitely I think that I think that there is an inner room where

[01:36:42] when you transition or you take certain things out that is going to be a bit challenging that's

[01:36:50] what I really like about the environment we have here it just it just eases it and you have doctors

[01:36:55] that are checking on patients twice a day so we're kind of we get to address some of these

[01:37:00] withdrawals that show up but it's the same idea like someone who's never gone into the gym

[01:37:05] and they go to the gym for a couple of weeks and they're sore and their body hurts you stop them

[01:37:11] they stop going into the gym you know it's just it's there's a period where your old patterns

[01:37:18] are going to feel uncomfortable and it does yeah it does require that a person has some awareness of

[01:37:29] or some support system or some kind of understanding because you know what might be happening for

[01:37:36] some individuals too they may not be getting enough calories I mean it's not this this is not

[01:37:41] easy to be honest I because I think that if you had changing and transforming you know like a

[01:37:46] the way a person eats especially if they don't know they don't have enough feedback or

[01:37:52] education understanding where they may not be getting enough calories and they're exhausted so

[01:37:56] they actually can more calories or they need certain more carbohydrates or they can more protein

[01:38:02] say we just went from we keep the calories the same but we got rid of all the artificial

[01:38:08] sweetener sugars whatever in replace it for for whole foods right even though we're eating

[01:38:13] better our nutrition is better our cellular assay might look better can this person still feel

[01:38:19] shitty for the first two weeks yeah because we're not getting that dopamine yeah definitely yeah

[01:38:24] they're they're changing their their neuro patternings and the brain is trying to survive

[01:38:30] and so it's looking forward yeah it's doing everything it's it's sinister it creates all sorts of

[01:38:35] different mechanisms in order to get what the bot what the cell wants you know and it's interesting

[01:38:41] when it comes to even like thought patterns you know they're able to see where I will

[01:38:47] think of a negative thought or a stressful thought to create my body will will create

[01:38:55] a response and emotional response on my body because it knows every time I think about that thing

[01:39:01] I feel this way and when I feel this way I eat that thing it's a full system and so

[01:39:09] what timeframe would you say people should expect to maybe feel shitty before they actually

[01:39:14] start to feel good you know minus just telling themselves they feel good but actually feeling

[01:39:19] good once this kind of dopamine degradation goes away yeah just depending on depending on the

[01:39:29] diet I'd say usually go six weeks I always tell everybody go six weeks first don't think in forever

[01:39:37] think in just six weeks increments or three month increments and because this is just the

[01:39:45] science brain and it is that you have to kill off so many cells and let the new cells

[01:39:52] reproduce and then the next generation of cells reproduces that now you're starting to change

[01:39:59] the loops and the neuro chemical loops and that takes time in order for you to become

[01:40:05] acclimated and for the new cellular system to understand this new hip beat and so you have to I mean

[01:40:13] to be honest I always tell any of my patients I'm like I'm going to need you for about a year

[01:40:21] year for a year for YouTube wake up one morning and really feel like man don't you remember who

[01:40:27] I was a year ago but to start moving and shifting out of that those those neuro patterns give it

[01:40:34] six weeks just be consistent and I understand the cues replace the cues with with functional

[01:40:43] patterns with functional systems going for a walk riding and exercise is the best thing to use

[01:40:50] when you're making these transformations because you want that you want those endorphin heads

[01:40:56] when I'm changing my diet mm-hmm okay and then the last thing I have before we wrap up here is

[01:41:05] talking about how we talk about with diet lifestyle habit changes the dopamine rewards system the

[01:41:11] motivational try and all these good things that this has been awesome by the way what are your

[01:41:16] thoughts on these new weight loss drugs like those empathic are they good are they bad I know they have

[01:41:21] a lot of side effects and I've heard differing things on is it again a teach someone that they

[01:41:30] don't need food because it's making them feel a certain way but again are we actually replacing

[01:41:38] the behaviors or changing the behaviors? Yeah really thoughts on this you're not you're just not

[01:41:44] getting to the core imbalance with these things it's just like my dad he had his first in and

[01:41:51] he was in the moment new is pumped to start eating how they use motivated a week after the first in

[01:41:58] I called him up and he's he's leased down me literally he's like oh my doctor said I can eat whatever I want

[01:42:03] two days out of the week and I'm like what is that what? So he's back into this idea thinking that

[01:42:09] the stint is going to be the solution for him to continue the behavior pattern and so

[01:42:16] here's my here's my thinking my my thought patterns on these on these drugs because I don't think in

[01:42:22] terms of good and bad there's a gray area that exists because it's you have to find a solution

[01:42:30] to improve your health and well being and so it's like I you know exactly like a

[01:42:38] telepathy is either as you can't eat whatever you want and not take the drug if you're going to

[01:42:43] keep eating that way then the drug is going to help but this is what I alluded to earlier is that

[01:42:49] the doctors can't come in nobody's really training I mean now you have the American College of

[01:42:55] Lifestyle Medicine which is attempting to train medical practitioners and it's really starting

[01:43:01] to improve significantly and they're learning deep prescribing there's a point where

[01:43:05] you're not on this this diabetic medication you're on this blood pressure medication for live

[01:43:10] these deep prescribing is an actual training that doctors are getting now as oh if I'm training

[01:43:16] these people to change what they're eating then actually have to take them off these medications

[01:43:20] otherwise it's going to be detrimental to them. There's the blood sugars in drop two oh.

[01:43:26] And so if a human cannot change the addictive patterns or they cannot change their lifestyle

[01:43:36] then there is a space in a place for the drugs and it's problematic because once a person

[01:43:45] is using that drug and they've chosen that route it's going to be a lot harder for

[01:43:50] to for them to convince them that they should change the way they're eating because now they

[01:43:55] have a crush to be able to eat whatever they want to eat. And so and then you never do one thing

[01:44:02] you're not just creating a damn there's a downstream effect of what that damn does

[01:44:07] and so that drug is changing and shifting everything you have the side effects

[01:44:13] of that form and everything else and any of these other drugs you're not just doing one thing

[01:44:17] you're changing a dynamic physiological or neurochemical system and so it's not going to be as

[01:44:25] beneficial to the whole ecosystem of the cellular body as to just change your lifestyle habit.

[01:44:31] For me just again it's like oh this is the Ferrari. This is how the Ferrari runs and

[01:44:37] not going to put a bandage on my Ferrari show me how to run this thing and let me

[01:44:43] and let me take it around and it's optimal function.

[01:44:49] These are said then down I mean like I said earlier it's an evolutionary system that wants to eat

[01:44:54] the hamburger of the french fries. It's over it's rewiring it's overriding your

[01:45:01] proof front of cortex and showing you it off so the brain's not thinking about the crisis you

[01:45:07] had yesterday where it's like oh my god if I don't change my diet I'm gonna get a heart attack or

[01:45:12] something it literally shut the down and forget. Yeah well and like these new drugs like those

[01:45:17] epic it's supposed to be an appetite it's a process from what I know so it still has it's still has

[01:45:25] it's side effects which I have to admit that I don't know the extent of.

[01:45:33] It's stopping people from eating as much but it's like what are those neural pathways

[01:45:38] are we just blocking them and shunting them for a while and then you come off the drug

[01:45:42] in their back again? Yeah it's like like I said it's not you're not doing one thing when you create

[01:45:47] like when you create a shift in one part of the system it's it's changing how the whole the whole

[01:45:53] system runs. Yeah for after you can talk a little bit more about that next time.

[01:45:58] Yeah I've been wanting to get someone on all to cover everything on like as an

[01:46:03] ozempic would joe be or whatever it's called because that's a whole another thing that a

[01:46:09] lot of people are asking questions about. We have a great we have a great team here at Trunorth

[01:46:15] that's of highly educated medical doctors and natural paths as well and so yeah any point reach out.

[01:46:24] Yeah we'll get some of your other providers on for sure so anything else you want to add

[01:46:30] man? I really appreciate it this. Yeah they have awesome talk and I think I think this will help a lot of

[01:46:38] people especially in our community, in our gyms that are struggling with this stuff kind of

[01:46:43] start to rethink. Yeah what's wise behind you know living a better lifestyle so I appreciate your

[01:46:50] time this was awesome. Yeah I have a leader ready with this now where it's like just know

[01:46:56] you're to know your value to know that you are the Ferrari and that more you can educate yourself on

[01:47:04] how you physically and and how you're designed and function then you can make those choices in

[01:47:11] the choices so that way you can just have a really good healthy life to be able to be able to experience

[01:47:16] a lot of joy and laughter with what the people in your life and so the choices are coming from

[01:47:22] your education and understanding of your design and that's really important. Boom mic drop

[01:47:31] and so to dequirkin people find you on social media email website. Well you can find me at

[01:47:37] at Dr. Shirazi at true northhealth.com and at the True North Health Center currently I run some

[01:47:49] online programs online systems I've been able to devise a coaching platform that helps humans

[01:47:57] poor accountability and really that's the idea is that sometimes you just have to hold people's hands

[01:48:02] until they figure it out on their own but you can find me at the True North Health Center out here

[01:48:07] in Saneroza California. All right awesome man thank you so much for your time and

[01:48:14] yeah that's where you're find this guy and we hope to have you back on the platform soon and

[01:48:18] uh look forward to it and everyone else thanks for listening. Thank you Dr. Brett Scott no problem