Hormone Harmony: Navigating Health and Wellness with Dr. Eric Fete

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[00:00:41] Welcome back to the Barbell Therapy Podcast. Today we are talking about hormone optimization, functional medicine, and all things related to health performance and longevity with Dr. Eric Fete.

[00:00:55] So I've been working with Dr. Fete here a little bit for my own health optimization and getting some things in check and I've had really good success.

[00:01:03] So we're actually going to be affiliated with him as a provider for us and we've already started referring him to some clients and we're having some good success.

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[00:01:43] So we'll wait no longer to introduce our guest, Dr. Fete here.

[00:01:47] And he's a doctor of osteopathy.

[00:01:51] He specializes in treating basically health performance optimization.

[00:01:57] He works with prescribing hormonal supplementation to patients as well as functional medicine and gut health and has really done a good job, at least working with me, looking holistically at the whole body and what's going on and not just giving a cookie cutter approach.

[00:02:15] So the difference I've noticed here is I'm not just a number.

[00:02:21] That's not just, here's these supplements you can take or here's this medication.

[00:02:25] There's much more to it.

[00:02:26] So, Eric, do you go by Dr. Fete?

[00:02:29] Eric, I don't even know.

[00:02:31] Eric's fine.

[00:02:32] I used to use Dr. Eric because it's easy.

[00:02:34] You know, nobody can pronounce my last name properly anyway.

[00:02:36] So whatever's fine.

[00:02:37] I'm careful.

[00:02:39] So to start this, one of the biggest issues I typically see in my field is people just don't know how to navigate health care and advocate for themselves.

[00:02:51] And especially on the hormonal side of things, it seems like a lot of people, we see men earlier and earlier coming up with low testosterone, women, low estrogen or just bunk hormonal profiles.

[00:03:08] But it doesn't seem like the conventional medical model is really set up successfully to manage these people.

[00:03:15] What is your thought on that and experience there?

[00:03:19] Yeah, no, it's a great point.

[00:03:21] Thanks for having me on, by the way.

[00:03:22] I always like talking with great people like you.

[00:03:25] So, yeah, it's a great question.

[00:03:28] It's one of the reasons I kind of got into that field.

[00:03:30] You know, the traditional medical world, you know, it has its place, but unfortunately, it's been, it's gone.

[00:03:34] It's going down the wrong road right now.

[00:03:36] It's unfortunate.

[00:03:36] It's unfortunate because it's being ruled by the, you know, the powers that be, right?

[00:03:40] You know, it's not always the docs follow the nurses.

[00:03:42] It's like they're doing the best they can, but they've been kind of led down a path and kind of forced down a path that kind of puts their, I hate to say this, but, you know, putting their blinders on and kind of trapped them down one way.

[00:03:55] And then, you know, kind of big pharma and insurance companies just kind of have a leash on them and kind of, I hate to see the word brainwash, but it's kind of like, this is what you have to do, you know, kind of thing.

[00:04:06] And it's like, you learn it and that's all, you know, and the system is just kind of regimented in the fact that they can't, you know, a lot of times they just can't spend the time.

[00:04:14] You know, they can have a few minutes or five minutes with a patient, sometimes more, but that's it, you know, so they just can't get into it as much.

[00:04:21] You know, I was in that world and I can speak from experience.

[00:04:23] I was in the traditional medical world for a long time as an ER physician, and I saw it from all sides.

[00:04:28] I was immersed in it for a long, long time.

[00:04:31] And, you know, it works for what it's there for and it's great for if you, you know, if you've got a trauma, a broken bone, a true emergency or something that needs a true, amazing technologies that we have available today to fix things, it's fantastic.

[00:04:42] But on the prevention side, making you healthy and keeping you healthy so you don't get sick, so you don't need these medicines and these pills and these surgeries, not so good.

[00:04:51] You know, we didn't, you know, get so much of that in training back then.

[00:04:54] And I think they're slowly eking it in a little bit now, but, you know, again, it's just the whole prevention side is not there.

[00:05:01] And, you know, healthcare is more of a sick care, we call it, you know, sick care medicine versus healthcare, right?

[00:05:06] It's a good sick care model. If you're sick, you're broken, it'll fix you, but it's not so good at preventing it or preventing things from happening in the first place.

[00:05:13] You know, things like heart disease and cancer and all this stuff, you know, it's a big business and there's a lot to it and there's a lot of moving parts.

[00:05:19] You know, so there's just politics and economics and kind of rules of the day, unfortunately.

[00:05:24] I'm not without, hopefully people can read between the lines here, but on the prevention side, it's not that.

[00:05:29] And that's kind of why I got into what I was doing.

[00:05:31] I was seeing these young people, people in their 20s, 30s and 40s who were, you know, really sick, you know, overweight, on 20 different medications and disabled and all this stuff.

[00:05:40] Cause I'm like, dude, this, you could have prevent all this if you just would have taken care of yourself, live proper health style and your healthy, healthy lifestyle and exercise eating right.

[00:05:48] And a lot of people just don't know, or some people just don't care, but some people were just led astray.

[00:05:52] And it was sad and that's why I got into the preventive space to make that better.

[00:05:56] And like I said, the traditional healthcare models is back in the, you know, a hundred, you know, decades ago, it was all about clinical medicine, you know, and actually talking to patients, spending time with them, taking their history and doing a physical, a real physical.

[00:06:07] And you could learn everything you need from that. It wasn't so heavily based on lab tests and CAT scans, MRIs.

[00:06:12] And unfortunately with technology, we've kind of gotten away with that and things, people start latching on these lab tests and CAT scans.

[00:06:18] And it's like, Oh, just, just do this test or what's the number say? And it's run through the scanner.

[00:06:22] And they don't, you know, they don't even talk to the patient, you know, and, and they're going to miss a lot of stuff that way.

[00:06:27] You know, you know, it's unfortunate, you know, and especially in the world of hormones, it's been kind of denigrated to like, Oh, we don't really worry about that too much.

[00:06:36] Or if it is, they're going to put you on like a synthetic hormone. Like, you know, forever women were on like prem pro or prem, which is a synthetic hormone, a synthetic form of hormone therapy, which actually was, did what it was meant to do, but a little too powerful, had some side effects, but it did its thing.

[00:06:50] And then back in 2002, they had the WHI study, which put the fear of God and everyone to get off hormones.

[00:06:57] And unfortunately there's a very flawed study and they've since redacted almost all of that.

[00:07:01] And we found out that most of that information was erroneous and that hormone therapy actually can extend, you know, how women live longer, prevent heart disease, slow down the risk of heart disease, reverse heart disease, reduce your risk of Alzheimer's, breast cancer, you know, so many other things.

[00:07:14] And now women are kind of getting back on men too. Um, but it's because of that, you know, a lot of the traditional medical world just kind of just poo-poo is hormone therapy and they just don't study it.

[00:07:24] It's just not taught, you know, it's kind of like if you have a heart condition, you go to your family doc, they're going to send you a specialist, right?

[00:07:30] You're going to go see your cardiologist or to an orthopedic for a bone fracture. Well, hormone therapy, endocrinology, the functional medicine aspect is its own specialty too.

[00:07:37] And that doesn't really exist in the traditional medical world. So doing what I do, you know, I'm a hormone specialist. I'm an anti-aging specialist. That's kind of what I do.

[00:07:44] So these primary care physicians or general medicine, they're just not trained to that and they just don't have the time.

[00:07:48] Like I said, they're regimented in their routine and they just can't spend an hour with their patients like I do going through everything on their history and really finding out, tell me about you.

[00:07:57] What do you like to do? What really hurts you? What bothers you? What are your goals?

[00:08:00] You know, all these detailed questions that I ask, um, and figuring out why they just can't do it.

[00:08:05] And again, it's not that they don't, they don't know, they don't have the knowledge and they just don't have the time.

[00:08:09] So, like I said, so it's kind of the preventive size, it's this whole other thing.

[00:08:18] So, like, you know, medicine, precision medicine, all these different names that kind of really keep people healthy and keep them from getting sick in the, in the first place.

[00:08:25] And hormones are just one part of that puzzle. So.

[00:08:29] Yeah. And from my understanding to having had another guest on on a similar topic is people can assume that an endocrinologist would be the go to person to treat hormones because the endocrine system is your hormonal system.

[00:08:45] Um, but from what I was told before is the endocrinology field was really developed to in the hospital setting to manage things like diabetes.

[00:08:56] Um, so yeah, what is your view on that and where endocrinology is now with treating hormonal dysfunction?

[00:09:04] Yeah, it's more of an acute thing.

[00:09:06] Like you said, they'll handle things like severe diabetes or these rare endocrine issues or genetic issues.

[00:09:11] I mean, obviously they can deal with some thyroid issues, but even then they're doing it more of the traditional way.

[00:09:15] They're not doing it more than a holistic pattern.

[00:09:17] They're just gonna put everybody on Synthroid.

[00:09:18] It's a synthetic thyroid hormone, which can work for a lot of people, but a lot of people, it doesn't.

[00:09:22] But they're not talking about their diet or supplementation ways to optimize their thyroid health in other ways where they're just treating the number.

[00:09:28] They're looking at a laboratory test like the TSH test.

[00:09:31] They're not looking at all the other lab tests.

[00:09:33] Uh, they're not, they're not looking at it from like more of a functional medicine or a precision medicine perspective.

[00:09:37] So they're kind of regimented.

[00:09:38] One of the big hormone society groups that I belong to, one of the keynote speakers who's on the panel and talks at the presentations all the time is an endocrinologist.

[00:09:46] Even he will say, don't go to the endocrinologist, go to a hormone specialist like, like him or me, or one of the people in this group called Worldlink Medical.

[00:09:53] Um, you know, he's an endocrinologist and he, he even says that.

[00:09:57] So it's kind of like, and, and, and again, just like everything, there's some great hormone, I'm sure.

[00:10:00] And there's, there's some great endocrinologists out there who actually do it the right way.

[00:10:03] Um, but a lot of people, a lot of them are not.

[00:10:06] It's just like, you know, they handle their, their little thing and that's it.

[00:10:08] They don't, you know, do a lot of stuff with testosterone with men the right way or, uh, dealing with women's hormones.

[00:10:15] And even thyroid is not always, as I mentioned, they, it's a very kind of a narrow approach.

[00:10:18] Um, but you know, again, and again, in our, in our group, which is, you know, thousands of members, it's like, you know, we hear this all the time.

[00:10:26] We're, we're patient, you know, we talk about like the case studies and patients who have been to endocrinologists and just are not being managed properly.

[00:10:31] And then they come to someone in our group and they get, they get fixed, you know?

[00:10:35] So yeah, it's unfortunate.

[00:10:36] Like I said, there's a lot of good ones out there, but unfortunately a lot of them, um, not so much.

[00:10:40] And so why are doctors still really scared of hormone replacement therapy for individuals?

[00:10:49] You, you mentioned the, um, women's health initiative study.

[00:10:55] And then I think they were using horse estrogen.

[00:10:59] And then on the, the men's side, there was some poor study design back in the day as well, that kind of just scared everyone.

[00:11:07] And I think we've all just been led to believe or primary care physicians and things have been led to believe like, oh, don't go on this because there's risks.

[00:11:16] Yeah, for sure.

[00:11:17] Um, I was trying, I was trying to find, I had a book by a surgeon or a medical physician named Broda Barnes and it must be in my other bookshelf, but he's a famous, uh, he was an endocrinologist or was a primary care physician, you know, back in like the, I don't even know, like the forties and fifties or earlier, might've been the thirties.

[00:11:34] Um, and he wrote a book and he just treated thousands of people for thyroid dysfunction.

[00:11:38] And this is kind of like I was telling you about before the world of medicine got taken over by laboratory testing and treating the numbers to the patient, which it should be the other way around.

[00:11:46] And he just basically proved how he could, you know, fix heart disease, do all these clinical things just by doing things, by treating the patient and dealing, doing thyroid the right way as opposed to how it's done right now.

[00:11:56] So it's a, it's kind of a testament to what I was mentioning.

[00:11:59] And like, it's not just my opinion, this has been out there for forever and there's books and thousands of studies and case, case reviews, you know, talking about this stuff.

[00:12:07] But yeah, so the WHI was kind of like, it put the fear, you know, in the medical world that, oh my gosh, you know, if you take hormones, you're going to, you're going to have cancer and heart disease and you're going to, your legs are going to fall off all this crazy stuff.

[00:12:18] And then it turned out when you really examined it, none of it was true.

[00:12:21] Um, and then when, of course they redacted it later, but a lot of people, it just still can't unlearn that you, there's a thing called confirmation bias, especially in the world of medicine where you learn something.

[00:12:31] And then, you know, a day or a week or a year or 10 years later, if you learn something that counters that, that's, you just can't get that original thing out of your head.

[00:12:39] And then, oh, that I learned that this, you know, the sky is red.

[00:12:42] Oh, well, look, it's actually blue.

[00:12:43] And here's all the studies that show is blue.

[00:12:46] Well, no, I learned it was red.

[00:12:48] No, I can't, you know, it happens all the time.

[00:12:51] We get these docs that like, like with men with testosterone there, like you said, there's an extremely horrible study that, you know, wasn't even had a clinical, it was based on a lab test about the PSA test for men.

[00:13:03] And that, oh my gosh, you're going to, if you have too much testosterone, you're going to get prostate cancer.

[00:13:08] There are, I can't even count how many studies have proven this not to be the case in clinical studies and true randomized controlled scientific studies that have refuted this.

[00:13:17] But doctors are still today, even still think that testosterone is going to cause prostate cancer.

[00:13:23] They just can't unlearn that from their brain.

[00:13:25] And I don't know if it's just that people don't want to admit they're wrong or they just, I don't know what it is, but it's, it's out there everywhere.

[00:13:31] It's not just medicine in any field, you know, people learn things and they don't want to unlearn them.

[00:13:35] No matter how much facts or how much they get presented to them, they can't unlearn.

[00:13:40] They just, they're just stuck in their mindset.

[00:13:42] They refuse to change, you know?

[00:13:43] So, so yeah, so I think some of these poorly done studies have just stuck in the minds of a lot of people.

[00:13:47] And then these myths have been propagated through the years that all these hormones are bad, you know, they're not good.

[00:13:52] I'm like, well, these hormones have been in our bodies our entire lives.

[00:13:55] I don't think God messed up when he did that. Right.

[00:13:57] So, and what we're doing is giving bioidentical hormones, meaning the hormones exactly like what's in our body.

[00:14:02] Now these synthetic hormones, like the prem pro, the premarin, uh, these other synthetic drugs.

[00:14:06] Yeah. They can have some downsides. Right.

[00:14:08] But that's why you, me and a lot of my colleagues, we do the bioidenticals because it's just like our hormones.

[00:14:13] We're replacing them and that's extremely safe and effective and can very much.

[00:14:18] But again, you talked to a lot of docs.

[00:14:19] They just, they can't get some of these old studies out of their brain for whatever reason.

[00:14:23] Yeah. And so for the men's study there, I think the women, they were using like equine estrogen from horses.

[00:14:30] And then for the men's study on testosterone. Yeah. Didn't, wasn't it just that they said that, you know, 11% of men on testosterone got prostate cancer or enlarged prostates when 11% of all men, even without supplementation end up with this, that literally does not change at all.

[00:14:51] No, it doesn't change. And they, with the whole PSA thing was based on a, a, it wasn't even a clinical outcome is a lab test called an acid acid phosphatase test, which they don't even do anymore.

[00:15:00] And it was on two people that the numbers went up based on this test, but it wasn't actually any kind of clinical outcome.

[00:15:06] And, and again, like you said, most men get prostate enlargement anyway, no matter whether you're on testosterone or not.

[00:15:12] And one in four men have an underlying prostate cancer, whether or not you're on testosterone, these don't know it yet because it's so small.

[00:15:16] It's very slow growing. So it's a statistical thing.

[00:15:19] But when they've shown that men who are all these men who've been put on top testosterone, if that's the case, then why are they not getting prostate cancer?

[00:15:26] If it's just, you know, what, if your testosterone levels, when they're through the roof, you should be having prostate cancer.

[00:15:30] Then why are all these 18 year old, 20 year old guys bursting with testosterone, not having prostate cancer, right?

[00:15:35] Cause it's not the testosterone. We get cancer for other reasons, right? You know, age and inflammation, all these other things.

[00:15:40] Um, they've actually shown that the lower your testosterone levels, you will actually have a greater chance of prostate aggressiveness.

[00:15:48] And the more, if you do get a cancer is going to be more aggressive. It's going to spread faster.

[00:15:51] It's going to be a worse outcome.

[00:15:53] Um, so it's actually the opposite. So it's actually protective and more than anything.

[00:15:57] Um, so it's, it's, it's been proven in many, many, many studies.

[00:16:01] So, but again, you, people just can't unlearn these things in the past.

[00:16:04] Hmm. And so you brought up the bioidentical hormones. So yeah, I see people all the time in our office that come in and they're on, they have hyper hypothyroid and they're put on Synthroid or, um, uh, there's another like generic name for it.

[00:16:22] But anyways, um, that is a synthetic thyroid hormone when there are still, there are better bio, uh, bioidentical compounds available.

[00:16:37] Right. Right.

[00:16:38] Okay. So why, why are we putting people on Synthroid and not just a bioidentical?

[00:16:44] Politics and economics, you know, uh, who owns the Synthroid? It's a big pharma company, right? So, you know, it's always gets pushed over everything. Right. I hate to say it, but, um, you know, there's so much more to it that I, I won't talk about, but, uh, but yeah, that's one of the reasons, but number two is just that, well, this is what the doctors are told to give.

[00:16:59] Just like they're told to give, you know, statins for everything and Prozac for everything. And this is just what they're taught in, in, in, in, you know, when the drug guys come in and they promote their pet, peddle their wares and whatnot. Um, so, and it can work like for example, for thyroid Synthroid, it can work. I'm not poo pooing it. I mean, it can work and it's worked for a lot of people, but there's a good, good chunk of people. We're talking, you know, up to 20% sometimes or more that just don't do as well. They, even though they're treated, they're still not getting the right results.

[00:17:27] So they need both the hormones, the Synthroid just has T4, whereas you need T4 and T3. And so our bodies are supposed to convert T4 into T3, the active hormone. And a lot of people, and some people just can't for whatever reason. So a lot of people say, oh, the Synthroid, they'll convert it. They'll, they'll get what they need from conversion. Yeah. But what if they can't convert because they have a nutrient deficiency or an inflammation, inflammatory process or a toxin, uh, or something else going on in their body that's preventing that conversion. Some mitochondrial defects, some other issues. Well, that's not going to work then. You could throw Synthroid

[00:17:57] down all day long. It's not going to work. So you have to give them the other thyroid hormone and then get to the root cause of the problem. Like why can't they convert and then fix that? Um, that's kind of what I'd like to do is try to fix the problem. If it's something that we can do it and then fix it and take you off the medicine. Great. Maybe you may, maybe we can, you have to stay on it forever. Um, but you have to at least look and try to figure that out. Um, the other part with the thyroid, it's a classic for, you know, through the years, like we were talking about with Broda Barnes, it's like treat the patient. You know, so many people like hear all the time, like, well, I went to my doc,

[00:18:25] they looked at my blood work, said everything was normal, but I still feel terrible. I'm cold. I have dry hair. I'm gaining weight. I'm constipated. You know, I feel blah. I'm like, well, you've got some symptoms of a thyroid issue. Yeah, but my doc said that was normal. Well, yeah, but normal is not the same as optimal. You know, you could be on a scale of one to 10. You could be at 1.2. You're normal, right? But you're not optimal. You need to be up here. And it's not so much about the number. It's about how you feel. Again, you could have a lot of thyroid floating around your bloodstream. The numbers are quote unquote normal, but if it's not getting into the cell to do its job, you're going to feel terrible.

[00:18:55] And why is it not getting into the cell? Well, that's why I have to figure out. Again, it goes back to all those things, you know, nutrients, you know, deficiencies, toxins, inflammation, sleep disorders, other hormonal issues, whatever, you know, autoimmune can a million other things that could be caused. So why? And let's figure that out. Same with testosterone is classic with men too. You know, the, you know, guys, I see guys all the time. They're like, oh, my doc said I was normal. What's your testosterone level? How do you feel? Um, I, you know, I'm tired. I have no sex drive. I feel like crap. I don't want to do anything. I'm moody. I'm getting fat. I can't have sex.

[00:19:24] I'm like, well, it could be a lot of other things too, but let's, you know, could be a testosterone deficiency. What are your numbers? Oh, well, scale of 300 to a thousand. My doc said I'm normal. What was it? Like, you know, you know, 315, you know, it's normal, but it's not optimal for you, you know? So it's a classic. I hear that all the time. So.

[00:19:42] So, and that too, like is very age dependent too, where for a male, uh, that normative ranges for anyone from the ages of like 18 to 65. Correct. So typically the younger we are, we should see higher numbers and yeah, they're going to decline with age. But if you're 30 years old and yeah, you have a 315 testosterone, it's probably not. That's probably very low for your actual age range.

[00:20:07] It is. And the sad thing is they're changing the numbers. They've been changing them for years now, all the numbers, even like cholesterol and, you know, uh, testosterone and thyroid and, you know, the BMI, all these numbers that are shifting downward to account for the fact that we're getting sicker and fatter as a population.

[00:20:20] Like, I don't think that's the right thing to do. It's kind of like, let's make airplane seats bigger because people are bigger, right? Is that healthy? You know, I don't think so. You know what I mean? So, um, you know, as we get older, yeah, it's a lot of these numbers are going to go down, but you know, they're now there used to be, you know, normal testosterone was like up to, you know, 1500 and then it went to a thousand. Now it's down to like nine in the 900s.

[00:20:41] And I think now it's some labs even report in the, you know, 800s to 700s. It just keeps going down, down, down. Uh, same with thyroid, it's measured on a curve and it's an average of a population. There's a lot of statistical things I could get into, but basically it's, there's a lot of variation, not only between people, but between you based on the season of the year, the time of the day of the week, the time of the day, um, your menstrual cycle, uh, a lot of other things can, your age, a lot of, a lot of things can affect it.

[00:21:07] But all these things are thrown into the blender and like, Oh, let's just see what all these people are. Well, there's so much variation again. Are you measuring a sick population? Are you measuring a healthy population? You know, there's so many variables that it's not extremely accurate. So it's more important to compare you and get, follow your trend over time. And more importantly, how do you feel? What are your symptoms? Let's look at you functionally, emotionally, physically, mentally, uh, and throw the lab work in the lab work should be the last thing. You know what I mean? So that's, that's the, uh, that's the nuance of it.

[00:21:37] Mm-hmm. So with, with these bioidentical hormones too, I take it part of the politics and the issue in it is that these don't have a patent. There's no money to be made in selling them. So no pharmaceutical company is going to push bioidentical because the juice isn't worth the squeeze for them and anyone can just go make them. So.

[00:22:01] That's another big part of it. I mean, number one is, you know, I could get into the whole, you know, the, the pharmaceutical insurance. They don't want people to be healthy. You know, sick care is very profitable. They don't want people to not have cancer, not have all these things. And people can call me conspiracy theorist or whatever, but look at the, follow the money. That's all I'm going to say. And number two is, yeah, they want to push what's big pharma. You know, there's a billion dollar industry and they make money on all these drugs. They don't want people doing something else.

[00:22:27] That's why they're trying to get rid of all these hormones and these clinics because, um, their competition and they can't have any competition. They want all, they want it all period. Um, and number three is like you said, yeah, hormones, they can't, they're not, you can't patent them. So you can't make money. So of course they're going to poo poo them and downplay them and create these studies showing that they're bad, right? They can, you can make a study say anything you want because you can't. Now, if you could take it and they could make it as, you know, synthetic and whatever and patent it, guess what? They'd be promoting the hell out of it saying it cures everything and they'll be making it.

[00:22:57] Making millions of dollars and they're starting to try to do that. And they've been doing it for years. Same thing with peptide therapy. Yeah. They're doing that with peptides now. They're trying to get rid of it, but guess what they're going to do in a number of years. I guarantee they're going to turn around and try to make their own peptides at, you know, 10 times the price, you know, and, and then they're going to say, Oh no, they're, they're totally safe. In fact, they're fantastic. Everybody should be on them. So just watch, I guarantee that's going to happen, you know? So yeah. So it's, it's a lot of politics and economics for sure. Unfortunately, it's sad to say, but it's true. Yeah. Cause, uh, like BPC is one that,

[00:23:27] um, the body protective compound is been put on like the dangerous substance list or whatever. Correct. So, um, but I have heard too, through the grapevine that, yeah, there, they are some pharmaceutical companies are doing studies on how they can rearrange the compound to make it still bioavailable.

[00:23:47] Right. And then make a patent on it. And then they can own the patent and make money.

[00:23:53] They've, they've tried to get rid of it, not because anything wrong with the medicine, but because of the process that it was made in the pharmacy, it had nothing to do with the actual peptide itself. That's the kind of the misconception, extremely safe, tons of studies showing it safety and thousands of clinical uses with thousands of doctors across the country. And it's been around in Russia and other countries for, for decades. Um, a lot of people don't know that and a very safe, but yeah, but of course, big pharma, like I said, they don't want that. You

[00:24:17] know, they're like, Ooh, even though we're making billions, we got to have 10 billion. So we can't have any competition out there. So we're going to squash it. And then, yeah, like you said, they're going to turn around and a couple of years. Oh, well, ours is different and it's completely safe. And here's why, you know, so it'll, it'll happen.

[00:24:30] Um, yeah, Brigham Bueller. Uh, have you heard of him? Ways to well, he was on, um, Joe Rogan's podcast, but he, he started his own functional medicine company and, and trying to lessen, he was a, he had a really interesting story because he was a pharmaceutical sales rep and med device sales rep. And he went into depth. He's been on there twice, I think.

[00:24:54] And he went through all the depths of all the shady things that happened within pharmaceutical sales and some of the things that happened politically. And yeah, looking at where the money's going and where it's coming from. Um, there's a lot of that. I mean, even with like thyroid, we're talking about one of the makers of the bioidentical kind of, there's like MP thyroid, armor thyroid, West thyroid, all these things. And, um, for a while there was hard to get because, um, the makers of Synthroid, I forget the name of the particular company now off the top of my head, but they,

[00:25:25] they did something to basically shut down one of the plants where these are produced. They use their economic and political cloud to basically shut it down. So they couldn't even make their natural thyroid because again, they don't want any competition. So, and these are things you don't hear about, you know, but they, yeah, a lot of shady stuff going on all the time. Yeah. People don't hear about it. I mean, you know, talk about safety studies. I mean, look at big pharma, they've had, you know, Pfizer and all these companies have had hundreds of lawsuits and because of issues with their drugs and, uh, drugs,

[00:25:54] that should have been approved and should not have been, they didn't, of course they just, you know, buy it. FDA is just bought and paid for it. Right. So, um, they've hundreds and hundreds of lawsuits and cease and desist letters and getting drugs pulled off the market and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But, you know, it just gets shoved away and they write a check and they move on, you know, and nobody talks about that. And they're saying, Oh, these hormones are not safe. And like, um, show me where they've caused harm.

[00:26:17] And number two, what about your drugs that have had been recalled and caused damage and lawsuits? And Oh, you don't, they don't talk about that. You know? So it's just, it's just the constant double standard. So it's just kind of funny.

[00:26:26] And then somebody else. So the most recent podcast I just did with Artemis, somebody had commented to me about, well, yeah, oral contraceptive is bad, but I'm going to, they're saying this, I guess, um, somewhat sarcastically. Um, but let me put some synthetic compound in my body from some, from some compounded pharmacy. Um, is there an issue at all with compound pharmacies?

[00:26:56] I know there's different, um, I don't know if you know, there's, but I've from Brigham Bueller's podcast, he was talking about this a little bit of the different stringencies between compounding pharmacies and I guess, um, whatever non-compounding pharmacy would be.

[00:27:11] Yeah. Yeah. That's the other thing that the big farmer likes to throw around is like all these compounding pharmacies, they're, they're working out of the back of a sweatshop in this, in a dusty facility is making these horrible drugs. And it's like, they're, they're creating this big misconception, of course, because they don't want, again, competition.

[00:27:26] Um, now, and this is not to be said, you know, there aren't some bad compounding pharmacies, compounded pharmacies. They're a normal pharmacy. They're all the, the, you know, there's some mom and pop ones or some small ones, uh, of course, but a lot of the big ones, I only use a handful of the really big ones who've, they've actually been inspected by the FDA.

[00:27:40] They've gone through all the certifications process, good standard product to practice. They get inspections and accreditations and all of these, they go through all the hoops and they're a normal pharmacy.

[00:27:49] It's just the differences they can compound mean they can make specific formulations to it for what their patient needs. So if you go to Synthroid, there's one dose.

[00:27:57] I mean, there's different dosages, but it's one concentration, right? So, but if you were testosterone, it's just testosterone recipient. But if you go to combatting pharmacy, you can blend it with say DHEA, or you can get a natural thyroid product with a certain amount of T4, certain amount of T3.

[00:28:12] Or if one particular patient needs just a little bit more T3, you can actually make it and adjust the dose. It's still the same medicine, but they can actually make the doses just a little bit different.

[00:28:21] So rather than just one, five and 10, now they can do three, four, six, nine, you know what I'm just making up numbers here, but it's like they can formulate and customize it to their patients.

[00:28:30] So it's not just a, you get this or you get that. That's all you get, you know, now they can actually, so it's actually more customizable and more.

[00:28:37] Or that's why it makes it more personal for the clients is that I can make things exactly for them or blend some of these different medications together to have an effect.

[00:28:45] You know, you can combine some of these hormones or pro-hormones and different, combine them with vitamins or other natural products to, to get, you know, a synergistic effect.

[00:28:53] So that's the difference. Yeah. Are there some, like I said, are there some really smaller compound pharmacies?

[00:28:58] Maybe don't do all the things, just try to jump through the hoops. Yeah, maybe, probably, you know, again, every industry has its good eggs and bad eggs,

[00:29:05] but across the board, most of them, almost all of them are really good. There's nothing wrong with them.

[00:29:09] There's nothing nefarious or anything. Again, I use the big ones that have been around for a very long time and have gone through all the,

[00:29:14] the, the accreditations and confirmations and rigorous Q and A kind of thing.

[00:29:24] And so going off of that too, we were talking about like contraceptives and things.

[00:29:28] So that's a big movement I've seen with younger women lately is,

[00:29:34] is looking to get off of birth control for the side effects or long-term effects of it.

[00:29:40] So granted, not everyone wants babies and maybe it's safer to,

[00:29:46] to not have a baby and there's other ways you can control for that too.

[00:29:51] Right.

[00:29:54] But I think people forget that birth control is hormonal therapy in a sense and that it can have side effects.

[00:30:02] So can you talk a little bit about that and some of the pros and cons to contraceptive use and long-term side effects and coming off and all that?

[00:30:10] Because that's another thing too, is being a coach and some people are trying to get off to get pregnant and things.

[00:30:15] And I see these women having a very difficult time with, with training, just getting through their day.

[00:30:22] They're 30 years old, having all kinds of like hot flashes and things just because,

[00:30:26] and then like breakouts and acne and allergies to everything all of a sudden when they're coming off these.

[00:30:30] So can you talk a little bit about that?

[00:30:32] Yeah, it can be very complex sometimes.

[00:30:34] And, um, you know, I'm not a fertility expert or anything like that,

[00:30:37] but I think, um, to your point about, you know, hormones are bad,

[00:30:42] but yet they'll write prescriptions for birth control pills all day long.

[00:30:45] Everyone will write everyone, the traditional medical world.

[00:30:47] Like you said, that's hormone therapy, right?

[00:30:49] So, but it's actually kind of worse because it's synthetic hormones, right?

[00:30:52] And that's part of the problem is that they are synthetic and they can be very powerful.

[00:30:55] Kind of like we were talking about Premarin was not just estradiol, which is what we give,

[00:30:59] but a blend of estradiol and, you know, estrogens drive from horse urine,

[00:31:03] which is, you know, 10 to 20 times power, more powerful than, you know, our estrogen plus some synthetic estrogens.

[00:31:09] So birth control pills, same kind of thing.

[00:31:10] They're synthetic, right?

[00:31:11] Um, and they do a specific purpose, but they do shut down the system.

[00:31:15] So again, you can't ovulate, you can't get pregnant.

[00:31:17] Of course, that's the purpose.

[00:31:18] And a lot of women go on it for controlling their cycles for other reasons too.

[00:31:21] If they got really painful cycles, endometriosis or these other issues.

[00:31:25] Um, and it has its role and I'm not saying I would never use them or I've never used them.

[00:31:29] I have.

[00:31:30] Um, but again, if you, some women do have some problems with them,

[00:31:33] especially when they're on for a very, very long time,

[00:31:35] I think the original intention, like a lot of things will let, let's go on these for,

[00:31:39] you know, five years or something like that.

[00:31:40] And until you're ready to have children.

[00:31:41] But a lot of these women are ending up being on there for decades.

[00:31:44] Um, I mean, my wife was on it for way, you know, decades, literally decades.

[00:31:48] Um, I know a lot of people who were on them and a lot of women do fine,

[00:31:51] but there's a lot of women who start having some issues because it's such a, uh,

[00:31:55] it's not a physiologic response, right?

[00:31:57] Our bodies are meant to be controlled in that regimented of a fashion, um, in a, by synthetic hormones.

[00:32:02] And it can cause some side effects and cause some issues.

[00:32:05] You know, athletes are notorious for this, right?

[00:32:06] A lot of women who were having some issues will be put on these and it affects their hormones.

[00:32:10] And if they don't have enough estrogen or testosterone, which it can affect as well,

[00:32:14] then they're going to not get that response.

[00:32:15] It can affect their anabolism, affect their ability to produce healthy muscle tissue to perform.

[00:32:20] You know, sprinters, jumpers, the athletes, they're just,

[00:32:23] they're not going to get that anabolic response that they would,

[00:32:26] if they didn't have their, uh, their hormones unopposed, right?

[00:32:28] Um, they can have tendon injuries or other issues with sleep and so on and so forth,

[00:32:33] because they're not having their normal physiologic responses.

[00:32:35] And yeah, some of the more advanced birth control pills, yeah, they will still get their cycle.

[00:32:39] They kind of rotate them around to make them a little bit more physiologic.

[00:32:42] Um, but it's still an artificial change.

[00:32:44] And again, some women do great with this, but other women after a period,

[00:32:46] after a number of years, they start having some problems.

[00:32:48] And then, like you said, when you come off them,

[00:32:50] then their body kind of has to reequilibrate and some women can kind of do okay and others can't.

[00:32:55] But a lot of women are, like I said, they're being on these for decades.

[00:32:57] And now they're getting those where they would have been in perimenopause.

[00:33:00] It's been so artificially kind of engineered.

[00:33:02] Now their body's like, what the hell is going on?

[00:33:04] And it's really wacky.

[00:33:06] Now they're really having some crazy perimenopausal symptoms.

[00:33:08] Now they're getting, like you said, the crazy hot flashes,

[00:33:10] even worse than what they would have been, um, or sleep issues or, you know,

[00:33:14] low sex drive and so on and so forth.

[00:33:16] Now that you just kind of, kind of re-regulate.

[00:33:17] And the body, if you take them off them, they will kind of reboot itself.

[00:33:21] It may take a month or two.

[00:33:22] Um, but then, then you've got to reassess and kind of see where they're at.

[00:33:25] So, um, that's, that's the issue.

[00:33:28] Like I said, sometimes depending on which one, which birth control form they're on,

[00:33:31] how long they're on it and any other health factors they have, they may do just fine.

[00:33:35] But some women may, after a period of time, not do well functionally, uh, performance wise,

[00:33:40] health wise, uh, and then down the road have some issues too.

[00:33:42] And it can all be rectified.

[00:33:44] Um, but a lot of these women I'll end up, you know, if they need it, if they're on severe

[00:33:47] perimenopause, I'm going to start treating with natural bioidentical therapy anyway.

[00:33:51] Um, but I just have to be more aggressive sometimes just to kind of re-regulate them and get them

[00:33:55] feeling better.

[00:33:56] Yeah.

[00:33:57] And, and granted, we don't want young people to have kids that aren't ready to have kids.

[00:34:03] Correct.

[00:34:04] But it seems like even like, um, some girls will like just be starting to get their period

[00:34:11] and like, Oh, throw them on, throw them on birth control.

[00:34:14] Right.

[00:34:15] Um, it's like a reflex now.

[00:34:16] Yeah.

[00:34:17] Which might be like a, maybe it is a safety call, but are there more severe side effects

[00:34:24] too, to putting kids on hormone, like the earlier they're on that the, you know, the worst

[00:34:29] the longterm effects are.

[00:34:31] Yeah, that's definitely possible.

[00:34:32] And I've seen, I've heard stories of that and seen that as well.

[00:34:35] Like you said, you know, as you start them early and then they're like, they're on them

[00:34:38] for a few years and then they're end up being on them for, you know, 10, you know, 10, 20

[00:34:41] years.

[00:34:42] I mean, I don't think that was how it should be.

[00:34:44] And like you said, they start really, really young that could skew their hormonal system

[00:34:48] a little bit and that could cause some problems.

[00:34:50] It could possibly affect their bone density, affect their muscle tissue, uh, brain health,

[00:34:54] things like that.

[00:34:54] It could affect them in an adverse fashion.

[00:34:57] Um, like you said there, you know, there's other options nowadays they have, there's like

[00:35:00] marine IUDs and of course the good old fashioned stuff, right?

[00:35:03] Like, you know, condoms and diaphragms, all this kind of stuff.

[00:35:05] But like the, the marine IUD is very, a nice, uh, thing that's not really, not really

[00:35:09] going to affect their systemic hormones as much and very effective.

[00:35:12] Um, there's other options out there too.

[00:35:14] Um, but it is an option for sure.

[00:35:16] But I think it's just, people need to be cognizant of, do we, you know, do you want

[00:35:20] to use the shotgun for every situation?

[00:35:22] Let's, what else can we do and maybe save it for when it's really, really neat or use

[00:35:25] it for a period of time and then maybe try to do something different after maybe a

[00:35:28] couple of years?

[00:35:29] Yeah, for sure.

[00:35:31] And so, um, going back to, you know, men and women having issues earlier and earlier

[00:35:37] in life with hormonal imbalance or dysfunction, whatever you want to call it, how much of this

[00:35:44] is due to stress and external factors that maybe we can change?

[00:35:48] Maybe we can't.

[00:35:50] I love this question.

[00:35:51] I definitely want to get into this so I could probably talk for a while about this.

[00:35:54] This is one of my, one of my, um, my pet peeves and one of my platform is about natural health.

[00:36:00] Right.

[00:36:00] And I'm trying to get us, that's one of my missions is to get people back to natural

[00:36:03] health.

[00:36:04] I think one of the issues is that it's the damn, it's the world we live in.

[00:36:08] It's a very, we live in a very toxic world.

[00:36:10] You know, um, these synthetic chemicals and, you know, crap they're spraying in the skies

[00:36:16] and the toxins and glyphosate in the soil, the nutrient depletion of the soil.

[00:36:20] We're surrounded by artificial lights and wifi and trapped inside all day with our, you know,

[00:36:25] air conditioning and, you know, nobody's outside anymore.

[00:36:27] Our bodies are meant to be outside in the fresh air and the sun and our feet in the soil

[00:36:30] touching, touching, like living things.

[00:36:32] And we, we're not around that.

[00:36:34] Our food's supposed to be grown and natural.

[00:36:35] And instead we're getting, you know, franken crap and gates of spring is crap all over the

[00:36:40] food and Lord knows what else.

[00:36:42] And it's just like, and I'm not, you know, again, I'm not being paranoid or anything, but

[00:36:45] it's true.

[00:36:46] You know, we're surrounded by these things and study after study is showing all these affecting

[00:36:50] our bodies, uh, not just the hormones, but everything.

[00:36:53] Why do you think, I mean, there's a huge rise in, you know, autoimmune conditions, you

[00:36:58] know, autism, um, inflammatory conditions, cancer, heart disease, erectile dysfunction, hormonal

[00:37:04] deficiencies, you know, these things just aren't just happening because, Oh, it just happens.

[00:37:08] No, it's a, it's, it's being, our bodies just haven't had time to adapt to this yet.

[00:37:12] You know, a lot of our, we've been around for how many millennia now, and all of these

[00:37:15] changes has just been in the last number of decades.

[00:37:17] We just can't genetically can't keep up that fast.

[00:37:19] Um, so I think, you know, I'm seeing all of us are seeing women and men with at a younger

[00:37:25] and younger age having hormonal issues.

[00:37:27] And that's kind of like the canary in the coal mine, right?

[00:37:29] I'm seeing changes in cholesterols.

[00:37:31] I'm seeing changes in inflammatory markers and insulin people getting insulin resistance,

[00:37:34] women getting PCOS, uh, men getting, you know, and women getting low hormone levels at a younger

[00:37:40] and younger age that I'm like, Holy crap.

[00:37:42] You know, like, you know, our grandparents, you know, they're, you know, men had testosterone

[00:37:45] levels in their eight, nine hundreds and they're 80 years old, you know, right.

[00:37:48] But now men in their thirties are having levels like 300.

[00:37:52] Well, why is that?

[00:37:52] I mean, yeah, a lot of it is just stress and our lifestyle and just that go, go, go mentality.

[00:37:57] We can stay up and work 24 seven.

[00:37:59] Stress definitely can do a lot to it, but I think a lot of it is just, like I said,

[00:38:01] the toxic world that we live in.

[00:38:03] It's beating us down the plastics, the phthalates, the carcinogens, the glyphosate, all this crap

[00:38:08] that we're surrounded with, artificial light.

[00:38:10] We're just not in our natural environment anymore.

[00:38:12] And so I'm such a big proponent of like turning all this crap off, getting outside as much

[00:38:16] as you can, actually talking to people, eating real food, organic as much as you can,

[00:38:20] exercising, moving, meditating, um, you know, getting community back, you know, just being

[00:38:26] what made us people, you know, look at the, a lot of these ancestral populations around

[00:38:30] the world that are thriving, have no cancer, no heart disease.

[00:38:33] Why do you think that is?

[00:38:34] You know, it's like this, it's 99% lifestyle and what we're doing, unfortunately.

[00:38:40] And so are there, do you think this is the battle that people can, can still choose to

[00:38:48] fight?

[00:38:48] Or do you think our environment that we have some control over our environment, but a lot

[00:38:54] of it we don't.

[00:38:55] Yeah.

[00:38:56] So what can we control to keep a healthy hormonal profile?

[00:39:02] Yeah, you can.

[00:39:03] It's just going to take a lot more effort and work.

[00:39:05] And I know a lot of people just don't want to do that, right?

[00:39:07] I'm like, can you do everything with, you know, all on your own by, without taking anything,

[00:39:12] without doing all these cool new gadgets?

[00:39:13] I mean, yeah, but it's going to be a, it's getting harder and harder.

[00:39:16] Let's just put it that way.

[00:39:17] You know?

[00:39:17] So, you know, I think like nutrition, sleep, exercise, right?

[00:39:22] Those are always the foundations, right?

[00:39:23] Everybody can work out.

[00:39:24] Everybody can optimize their sleep.

[00:39:25] You know, eating is getting more and more challenging.

[00:39:27] You know, everybody should, we try to encourage everybody to eat organic, real food as much as

[00:39:31] possible.

[00:39:31] You know how hard that is, you know, everything, of course they make that more expensive, right?

[00:39:34] Because again, the power, you know, I don't want to get into it, but it's like the cheap

[00:39:39] food is cheap for a reason.

[00:39:40] You know, they want people to eat that stuff for various reasons, right?

[00:39:43] But it's not healthy.

[00:39:44] And times that, you know, people are, you know, struggling financially, it's hard to

[00:39:48] spend money on organic food.

[00:39:49] You know, even for me, it's very expensive.

[00:39:51] But if you could, you know, grow your own stuff, that'd be the ideal solution.

[00:39:54] But not everybody can do that too.

[00:39:55] So, um, it's very hard, so it can be very costly, but if you can do it, I think you can,

[00:40:00] you know, if you really work at it every single day to, you know, to detox your body, to,

[00:40:05] you know, get water filters, maybe get air filters, get outside, get some fresh air, eat organic,

[00:40:10] move, exercise, optimize your sleep.

[00:40:12] Don't stay up all night.

[00:40:13] Don't drink.

[00:40:14] Don't smoke.

[00:40:14] Don't do drugs.

[00:40:15] Don't do all this crazy ass shit.

[00:40:16] Yeah, it can be done.

[00:40:17] And it's, it is doable.

[00:40:18] Um, it's, but like with everything, just like, you know, working out or losing weight, everything

[00:40:23] takes work, but it's worth it to me.

[00:40:25] Health is wealth.

[00:40:25] You know, if you, you know, spend some money on your, your health now, you're going to

[00:40:29] prevent spending a lot more on your sickness later in life.

[00:40:33] Yeah.

[00:40:34] And I think the other piece there too, I want your opinion on is it's like what came first,

[00:40:40] the chicken or the egg?

[00:40:41] Is it so, especially younger men come with issues of low testosterone or whatever it might

[00:40:49] be, maybe thyroid issues too.

[00:40:52] Um, and you look at it and it's like, okay, yes, it's low.

[00:40:56] And it's like, well, you're not sleeping.

[00:40:58] You aren't working out.

[00:41:00] You have low energy.

[00:41:03] How do you go about, which one do you try to fix first?

[00:41:06] Right.

[00:41:06] That's a great question.

[00:41:07] And it's like, are you not sleeping because your hormones are all fucked up or what is

[00:41:13] the, what is the catch here?

[00:41:15] And, and what a doctors need to be thinking about too, or what should people be thinking

[00:41:19] about when, you know, discussing these things with their doctors?

[00:41:23] No, that's a great point.

[00:41:24] I'm glad you brought that up because the answer is it depends, right?

[00:41:28] As with everything, it depends.

[00:41:29] Right.

[00:41:29] So most of the time, and it comes down to really trying to talk to people and figuring out

[00:41:35] what are you really doing?

[00:41:36] What are you really trying to accomplish?

[00:41:37] And what, you know, what do you want to do?

[00:41:38] What do you not want to do?

[00:41:40] As you know, we all live in a quick fix society.

[00:41:42] Nowadays, a lot of people just want that quick fix, right?

[00:41:44] A lot of guys are just like, dude, I just want to get jacked.

[00:41:47] I just want to, I want, I just want to do the steroids.

[00:41:49] I want to do the testosterone.

[00:41:49] I'm 20.

[00:41:50] You know, I'm like, no, you know, I'm not going to do that.

[00:41:53] You know, that's not the answer, but they're not going to say that.

[00:41:55] Of course they're going to, they read the books.

[00:41:57] They read what to say, what not to say to try to get what they want.

[00:42:00] I'm not saying all these guys are doing that right, but sometimes that's the case.

[00:42:03] But yeah, if you get a, I've seen them and you get younger guys that have legitimate

[00:42:07] issues.

[00:42:07] Like I'm not sleeping, I'm really stressed or I'm having, you know, erectile issues or

[00:42:11] whatever.

[00:42:12] Yeah.

[00:42:12] And you're there.

[00:42:13] You look at the hormones, there's some problems.

[00:42:15] So like you said, what do you do first?

[00:42:16] Well, again, it kind of depends.

[00:42:17] So like, let's really dial in.

[00:42:18] Like, what are you really doing?

[00:42:19] What can you do?

[00:42:20] What are you not doing?

[00:42:21] Let's in most of the time, especially if they're younger, it's usually something that can be

[00:42:26] fixable.

[00:42:26] And you know, they're, you know, whether it's lifestyle, they're not sleeping.

[00:42:29] Let's try to fix your sleep.

[00:42:30] I mean, you're not just not eating the right stuff.

[00:42:32] Um, you're eating the wrong foods cause you read, you know, Mr. Health guru, Instagram

[00:42:36] person who has no health background, giving health advice, you know, and, and it's not

[00:42:40] working, you know, keto is great or whatever, but it doesn't work for him, you know, or

[00:42:44] they're just not, they're not putting in the work.

[00:42:45] They just don't want to.

[00:42:46] Well, let's be like a coach or a trainer.

[00:42:49] Let's kick them in the ass.

[00:42:49] Like, dude, get up and work out.

[00:42:51] You're 20 years old.

[00:42:52] Go work out.

[00:42:53] Start, you know, quit staying out and partying all night.

[00:42:55] You know, and it's true.

[00:42:56] A lot of guys are like, look, I'm, I'm drinking, drinking beer every night.

[00:42:58] I'm staying up all night.

[00:42:59] I'm not working out.

[00:43:00] I'm eating like crap.

[00:43:01] But you know, I, my hormones are low.

[00:43:02] Can you give me testosterone?

[00:43:03] No, you need to make a little effort here, you know?

[00:43:06] Um, and you'll be fine.

[00:43:08] And now down there, if you do all that and fix it, do you, do you need something else?

[00:43:12] Yeah.

[00:43:12] And it doesn't mean have to be testosterone.

[00:43:14] It might be something else we could do.

[00:43:15] Now on the flip side, you know, I see other women and men who are doing as much as they

[00:43:19] can.

[00:43:19] They are trying and maybe they're a mess.

[00:43:22] Like they look at their blood work.

[00:43:23] They're in, they've gotten markers of inflammation.

[00:43:25] Their cholesterol is out of whack.

[00:43:27] Their insulin is out of whack.

[00:43:28] They're massively overweight.

[00:43:29] Their blood pressure is high.

[00:43:30] You know, they're a metabolic nightmare.

[00:43:32] You know, everybody in their family has heart disease and they're walking around and they

[00:43:36] don't, they feel really, really bad.

[00:43:37] Well, I can tell them to exercise and you're right and get, but they're like, they're like,

[00:43:42] you know, that's, that's dangerous.

[00:43:43] And when I were talking about metabolic emergencies, like you could die, you could have a stroke

[00:43:46] or heart attack or something bad could happen to you.

[00:43:48] Let's, this is like a full court press.

[00:43:50] So yes, of course I'm going to encourage you to do all these things, but they might be so

[00:43:53] far down that path that they just don't have the gumption.

[00:43:56] Like I know doc, I've heard this.

[00:43:57] Like I know I need to go to the gym, but I have zero drive.

[00:44:00] I have no desire.

[00:44:01] I don't want to do, I just want to sit on the couch all day, you know, and they're a

[00:44:04] mess.

[00:44:04] And if I don't do something, they're going to, they're going to get sicker and something

[00:44:08] bad is going to happen like really bad.

[00:44:10] So that's someone that would right out of the gate.

[00:44:12] Yes.

[00:44:12] Let's optimize your hormones, you know, fix your thyroid, fix your testosterone, fix your

[00:44:16] estrogen, whatever it may be.

[00:44:18] Let's, let's tune you up metabolically, put you on a program.

[00:44:21] And then we'll start kickstarting you to move more, to start easing into a workout

[00:44:25] program.

[00:44:27] Keep, you know, let's clean up your diet.

[00:44:28] Let's get you to sleep.

[00:44:29] So we're going to do everything at the same time.

[00:44:31] So it kind of depends on the situation and how, how healthy or unhealthy they really

[00:44:35] are.

[00:44:37] And how much does gut health affect hormonal profiles as well?

[00:44:43] Would you say a lot?

[00:44:45] Yeah, definitely.

[00:44:45] I think we're learning more and more every day, how important the gut health is and the

[00:44:48] microbiome.

[00:44:50] We're learning more and more what we don't know, right?

[00:44:52] I think more has been discovered about the gut in the last, you know, 10 years and

[00:44:56] forever.

[00:44:57] And we're still learning more.

[00:44:58] So it's a big, big thing.

[00:45:00] And again, it kind of goes back to the toxicity of the world we live in.

[00:45:03] I think that's why more people are having these gut issues, right?

[00:45:05] But the gut is massively important.

[00:45:07] If the gut, what we call the gut brain axis is big, the gut, you know, gut connects to

[00:45:12] everything.

[00:45:12] And if somebody has some inflammation in their gut, what we call a leaky gut or other infections

[00:45:17] in their gut, it can affect everything.

[00:45:18] It affect the brain, their heart, their muscles, their, all their other endocrine or so

[00:45:22] can affect your other hormones, other aspects of your metabolism and more.

[00:45:26] So if you've got some bad gut issues, that sometimes could be the main issue that's going

[00:45:30] on.

[00:45:31] And if you fix your gut, everything else gets fixed.

[00:45:33] You know, your testosterone gets fixed.

[00:45:34] Your brain health gets fixed.

[00:45:35] Your mood gets fixed.

[00:45:37] You know, your depression goes away.

[00:45:38] So it's been linked to everything truthfully.

[00:45:41] So it's massively important.

[00:45:42] And it's definitely part of my protocols.

[00:45:44] I always look at gut health and ask people about their gut health because it's that important,

[00:45:48] I think.

[00:45:48] And it's unfortunately gotten worse over the number of years because of the stuff we were

[00:45:51] talking about earlier.

[00:45:53] Yeah.

[00:45:53] And so even on the cognitive side too, hormones are very important for mental health and clarity

[00:46:00] and cognition.

[00:46:02] Big time.

[00:46:03] I actually, I just had a patient that I've been friends with for a long time that just

[00:46:06] got diagnosed with Alzheimer's and he's like in his late fifties.

[00:46:10] Wow.

[00:46:12] But I've been saying to him for years too, there's like, he would just come in so tired

[00:46:17] in the afternoon and like falling asleep, exercising almost like, and all his joints

[00:46:22] were aching and it was always something else.

[00:46:24] And he was having issues focusing on work.

[00:46:26] I was like, dude, I think you might have low testosterone.

[00:46:28] Like you should get checked.

[00:46:30] And when I went to my doctor and they, they were, you know, hesitant because I'm older

[00:46:36] in the prostate thing.

[00:46:37] And I was like, okay.

[00:46:40] And now that he's been diagnosed, is there anything out there too, that like it could

[00:46:44] help with that process of, you know, not reversing Alzheimer's disease, but slowing it down or

[00:46:51] helping?

[00:46:52] Yeah.

[00:46:53] There's a lot of stuff that could, I mean, obviously I would look at the rest of his

[00:46:57] blood work and his hormones and things, but yeah, I mean, testosterone, your estradiol level

[00:47:02] with men, they need estrogen too.

[00:47:03] And that can be very helpful.

[00:47:04] Um, some of the other hormones like DHEA and pregnenolone can be very helpful for memory

[00:47:09] and short, you know, uh, cognition, um, things like that.

[00:47:12] Thyroid is massively important for brain health.

[00:47:14] Um, but then there's a lot of other things too, in terms of like, whether we talk about

[00:47:18] food and supplementation, like, are they getting enough, like, you know, um, phospholipids

[00:47:22] in their diet to that, that help make those brain connect and they form the, the, the

[00:47:26] myelin sheath around the nerves.

[00:47:27] You know, a lot of people don't eat enough, uh, phospholipids, which you can get from like,

[00:47:31] you know, eggs and organ meats and things.

[00:47:33] And they even sell them like as a fossil, you get like phosphatidylcholine and phosphatidyl,

[00:47:37] you know, these other fossils you can actually sell from companies like, um, uh, body, their body bio and things like this.

[00:47:45] And there's some advanced things called plasmolygens, which, um, our body makes these little chemicals,

[00:47:49] these little called plasmolygens.

[00:47:51] And they actually everywhere in the brain, especially in the nervous tissue.

[00:47:54] And, uh, a colleague of mine, his name's Dr. Goodnow.

[00:47:56] Um, he's, he's, uh, created a whole company about this and done an extensive, he has a whole

[00:48:01] testing protocol you could do to look at your levels near all your markers.

[00:48:05] And he's having a, he's actually had a lot of clinical studies showing improvement and reversal,

[00:48:09] a lot of cognitive conditions like Parkinson's and Alzheimer's and, um, these other things

[00:48:13] like this by optimizing your, uh, plasmology levels, which you can use with it says actually

[00:48:18] a supplement, um, you can take, uh, but he has a whole plasmology profile, like a series

[00:48:23] of advanced, uh, laboratory tests to look at these things.

[00:48:26] Um, and there's other peptides too.

[00:48:28] We talked a little bit about peptide therapies that can help boost like some of your, uh,

[00:48:31] cognitive health, like boosting a neurochemical in your brain called BDNF, brain derived neurotrophic

[00:48:35] factor, uh, things like this.

[00:48:37] Um, sometimes people are just missing nutrients, you know, if they're not getting enough B vitamins

[00:48:41] or vitamin C, some of the basic stuff, right.

[00:48:43] That are very helpful for cognitive health.

[00:48:45] Um, I mentioned like some of the pro hormones that people don't talk about as much like pregnenolone

[00:48:49] and DHEA and my managing your cortisol levels.

[00:48:51] Um, these can be very helpful as well.

[00:48:54] Um, that kind of stuff.

[00:48:55] Um, so a lot of times it's, um, you know, nutrient deficiencies, it's toxins.

[00:49:00] If people have a toxic overload of heavy metals or other things that are affecting, uh, the

[00:49:05] chemical transmission of the brain, those need to be addressed as well.

[00:49:07] Um, so there's a lot, there's a lot there that can be done for sure.

[00:49:13] And if you're going the conventional medical route, like I know he's going to, um, one of

[00:49:20] the big hospitals in Boston, do you think any of these things are being covered?

[00:49:27] Probably not.

[00:49:29] Okay.

[00:49:31] I've got to put them on the farm, big farm.

[00:49:33] I mean, and I, and I don't want to poop and maybe there are some really good ones out there

[00:49:37] who would say, yeah, let's, let's put you on, let's look at your B vitamins.

[00:49:40] Let's look at your hormones.

[00:49:41] Let's look at something.

[00:49:42] And they look at his diet and maybe there might be, I mean, I don't want to say never, but

[00:49:46] probably not.

[00:49:47] You know what I mean?

[00:49:47] They're probably not going to get the same workup that they would by seeing my, my friend,

[00:49:50] Dr.

[00:49:51] Dale Goodenow or Dylan Goodenow, but, uh, or Dr.

[00:49:53] Mark Gordon out in college, you know, someone like that who specializes in like brain health

[00:49:56] type stuff.

[00:49:57] But, uh, but still it's, you know, there might be some things they can look at and, you know,

[00:50:01] and address and take care of.

[00:50:03] And I'm not to say that some of the treatments they offer won't help.

[00:50:05] They might, but again, look at everything.

[00:50:07] You know, if something like that was me, I would look at everything that could possibly

[00:50:10] do, whether it's naturopathic, you know, traditional medicine, whatever.

[00:50:15] I would look at everything, you know, everything and anything to improve myself.

[00:50:17] Mm-hmm.

[00:50:19] And so what are the, what are the risks of being low on these hormones or, you know, having

[00:50:28] a low hormonal profile versus being on supplemental hormone therapy?

[00:50:33] Yeah.

[00:50:34] So it's a, it's a great question as well.

[00:50:36] So I think what I tell a lot of my patients is that, look, it's, it's not just about,

[00:50:40] you know, getting on a hormone just to, to feel better or to, to lose weight and look

[00:50:45] better or have better sex or whatever.

[00:50:46] Yeah, those are all great, but it's more on the internal side, the things you're not

[00:50:49] going to necessarily feel, but you're going to get a health benefit from.

[00:50:52] Because again, if you can go back and look at a lot of these studies, if you optimize

[00:50:56] your hormonal profile, you're going to, quite frankly, you're going to live longer, especially,

[00:51:00] you know, they've shown that with women, especially, but definitely with men too, you're going

[00:51:03] to live longer.

[00:51:03] You're going to have a lower risk of heart disease, a lower risk of osteoporosis, a lower

[00:51:07] risk of cancer, you know, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, all these things we were just talking

[00:51:11] about, colon cancer, all these things, these risks, you know, all these, your inflammatory

[00:51:14] risks go down.

[00:51:15] All these risks, insulin sensitivity is improved with optimal hormones.

[00:51:18] So these are, what's the number one killer of men and women today?

[00:51:21] Well, it's heart disease.

[00:51:22] And number one killer of cause of everything is inflammation, right?

[00:51:25] We're living in a very inflammatory world, like we were talking about, inflammation and

[00:51:28] insulin resistance.

[00:51:29] All these things are pretty much the root of every disease out there, right?

[00:51:33] So if you can improve that, you can improve your health tremendously.

[00:51:35] So you're going to get all these benefits just by optimizing your hormones with natural hormone

[00:51:38] therapy, as long as it's done the right way.

[00:51:41] Um, so massively important, you know, and again, you know, I'm, I'm all about people living

[00:51:45] longer, stronger, better.

[00:51:46] So, um, you know, if you want to live longer and prevent all these, these, these, these,

[00:51:51] uh, dangerous, um, health maladies and, um, then do it.

[00:51:56] Like I said, especially heart disease, which again, number one killer men and women.

[00:52:00] So you can reduce your risk of that by some simple hormone therapy.

[00:52:04] Very good.

[00:52:05] And then the last thing, uh, for all my, all my boys out there on my dogs, uh, you know,

[00:52:14] I see a lot of guys in their late twenties, early thirties that are doing jujitsu, they're

[00:52:20] weightlifting or this and that they're starting to get banged up and they're like, Oh, what

[00:52:26] do you think about TRT and this and that?

[00:52:29] And I'm like, I'm like, I just think I need to get on it to, to recover.

[00:52:33] And I was like, well, have you been tested?

[00:52:34] Like, no, but I think I need it.

[00:52:36] I'm like, um, maybe you do, but maybe you're overtraining.

[00:52:43] Maybe you're drinking like an asshole.

[00:52:46] Uh, or maybe you just have a false sense of what aging maybe should or shouldn't feel

[00:52:53] like.

[00:52:53] Um, and what are the things people need to, if they're going to go down this route, what

[00:53:02] are, what are the things people need to realize about, you know, sticking themselves with a

[00:53:08] needle and committing to that process?

[00:53:10] Cause I think there's probably more of an undertaking to it.

[00:53:14] Um, or it's more of a bigger decision than people probably think it is when you start to

[00:53:18] mess with your, your hormones.

[00:53:21] It is.

[00:53:21] Yeah.

[00:53:22] And it kind of goes back to what we were talking about earlier, the guys that just want to

[00:53:24] get, want to get bigger, stronger, faster, recover.

[00:53:27] And, and we all know how prevalent that is.

[00:53:29] It's been around forever.

[00:53:30] Right.

[00:53:30] You know, young, especially young, young guys is taking antibiotics, taking testosterone,

[00:53:34] taking all this stuff.

[00:53:35] It's everywhere.

[00:53:36] Right.

[00:53:36] Everybody, you can get it.

[00:53:37] You can buy it online, which is horrible.

[00:53:39] Um, and, but you're going to get, have a lot of problems.

[00:53:42] Right.

[00:53:42] So, but the guys, I think like anything, uh, kind of like vaping, everybody, you start seeing,

[00:53:47] you start getting, can get anywhere to think, Oh, it's no big deal.

[00:53:49] Right.

[00:53:49] I mean, everybody, everybody's doing it.

[00:53:50] Right.

[00:53:51] Everybody's just doing it.

[00:53:51] You guys want to, you want to be the best.

[00:53:53] You got to do it.

[00:53:53] Right.

[00:53:54] No, I don't think that's a smart move.

[00:53:56] Um, because like you said, uh, are you doing just because you're not training, right?

[00:54:00] You're eating like shed or you just think you're supposed to like max out seven days a week.

[00:54:04] You know, I don't think that's very smart, you know, train properly, do the right things.

[00:54:08] And you won't need that.

[00:54:09] First of all, maybe you need a, you need a trainer.

[00:54:11] You need a coach.

[00:54:12] You need a, someone to work with.

[00:54:13] Maybe you're just not doing things right.

[00:54:15] Just again, you know, the whole American thing of like, well, one is good.

[00:54:18] 10 is better.

[00:54:19] Right.

[00:54:19] Not always.

[00:54:20] Um, you know, and then again, just because your, your, your gym bros are doing, you know,

[00:54:25] antivar and tests and stuff, it doesn't mean you should be, um, you know, it's

[00:54:29] kind of like all, all my bros are vaping and smoking.

[00:54:32] I think I should too, like, I don't think that's a good idea.

[00:54:35] Now is testosterone, is it safer than anabolic?

[00:54:38] Is it safer than vaping?

[00:54:39] Well, yeah, of course it is.

[00:54:40] But as you mentioned, there's a lot to it because once you're on it, you know, you're

[00:54:44] kind of on it.

[00:54:44] I mean, yes.

[00:54:45] Can you stop it?

[00:54:45] Of course you can.

[00:54:46] You could stop at any times.

[00:54:47] And especially if you're younger, if you do it for a few months or whatever, can you

[00:54:50] stop it?

[00:54:51] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:54:52] And you'll bounce right back.

[00:54:53] Um, but you know, if you're older and if you're doing it, especially if you're on it for

[00:54:56] a year or more than that, at some point, you know, yeah.

[00:55:00] Can you still stop?

[00:55:01] Yes.

[00:55:01] But you know, your levels are here.

[00:55:02] They're going to go up and then they're going to crash again, but they're going to end up

[00:55:05] kind of being where they would have been anyway.

[00:55:07] So if you started, say I'm making numbers up, say you started at 40 and you do it for five

[00:55:10] years and you know, again, you're going to go up and then they're going to crash back

[00:55:13] down.

[00:55:13] They're going to go back down to where they would have been at 45 anyway.

[00:55:16] Now that might be a little bit lower because for that five years, your system's kind of

[00:55:19] shut down and your body senses it.

[00:55:21] Your testicles could shrink a little bit because your body's like, I don't need to make

[00:55:23] anymore.

[00:55:24] So you get some atrophy and your body stops making it.

[00:55:26] So we will start making it again?

[00:55:28] Yeah.

[00:55:28] But it might not be as effective as it would have been.

[00:55:30] Right?

[00:55:31] Now, if you were that low and you fixed everything over time, you're still going to be low.

[00:55:36] Right?

[00:55:36] So are you any better off?

[00:55:38] You know what I'm saying?

[00:55:38] So some people will say, well, it would have been low anyway.

[00:55:41] But yeah, but you might be lower if you do it for a while and then stop.

[00:55:45] You know what I mean?

[00:55:45] So there is that, I guess you mentioned, there's more to it because typically once you're on

[00:55:48] it, you're on it and you're going to have to commit to that for the rest of your life.

[00:55:52] Because after a while, your body's just not going to make it anymore.

[00:55:54] Then there's other concerns too.

[00:55:56] Obviously it can affect your fertility.

[00:55:58] You know, the chance of you being infertile is very high.

[00:56:00] Yes, there's a lot of guys who have gotten their wives or girlfriends pregnant when they're

[00:56:04] on test.

[00:56:04] Of course it happens.

[00:56:05] Or can you go off it and go on other things to restart your fertility, jumpstart things

[00:56:09] and get fertile again?

[00:56:10] And of course I've done it, I've done it with a few patients in the past, but across

[00:56:14] the board, a lot of guys don't.

[00:56:15] So that's something to take into consideration.

[00:56:17] A lot of guys are like, oh no, I don't want to do that.

[00:56:18] And then, you know, a couple of years later, like, oh, you know, I kind of do want to

[00:56:21] have kids now, you know?

[00:56:22] So they change your mind.

[00:56:23] So it's just something to take, take a, put some thought to some consideration.

[00:56:27] Yeah.

[00:56:27] As far as the fertility risks there, what, like if you're to go on at what percent of men

[00:56:33] can still become fertile again?

[00:56:37] You know, I don't know.

[00:56:38] I don't know an exact number.

[00:56:39] Um, I'd say it's, it's definitely very doable.

[00:56:42] It's, it's a, it's a pretty decent percent.

[00:56:44] I mean, not the majority for sure.

[00:56:45] Cause a lot of guys, once they're on for a number of years, they're, they're kind of

[00:56:47] infertile.

[00:56:48] Um, but it can be done, uh, especially if you're only on it for a few years, it can definitely

[00:56:52] be done.

[00:56:53] Like I've had, uh, I've done that myself with one or two patients or more than that.

[00:56:57] Actually, um, you take them off the test and you do some, put them on some other medications

[00:57:00] to kind of jumpstart their system and boost their fertility.

[00:57:03] So it can definitely happen.

[00:57:05] Um, but it's just something you have to tell guys.

[00:57:08] Yeah.

[00:57:09] Yeah.

[00:57:10] People just don't realize like the implications of, I don't really want to mess with my hormonal

[00:57:15] profile too much out of its natural rhythm.

[00:57:18] And then people are like, yeah, just everyone's doing it.

[00:57:20] So let's just hop on the bandwagon.

[00:57:22] It's right.

[00:57:23] Or again, you know, what else can you do first?

[00:57:25] You know, kind of like, I always like to think in steps, right?

[00:57:27] Especially if you're a younger guy, like, well, maybe I need to change my diet, change

[00:57:30] my routine, sleep better, stop drinking, do all these things.

[00:57:33] And then, okay, maybe now there's some, that some supplementation I could do.

[00:57:36] Maybe there's some peptide therapies or maybe then we cross that bridge and maybe there's

[00:57:40] something else we can do before testosterone, like a Clomid or HCG or, or something like that.

[00:57:44] And then you save testosterone for the last.

[00:57:47] And now you've exhausted all your options.

[00:57:48] So I like to have backup plans.

[00:57:49] You don't want to just jump to the gun right away without trying all these other things first.

[00:57:53] So my younger guys, I'm always going to take them down that road first, knowing that we've

[00:57:56] exhausted all the other options.

[00:57:58] To me, that's just the smart way to do it.

[00:58:00] Yeah.

[00:58:00] Yeah.

[00:58:01] It really just seems like to me these days that like TRT and there's all these milk clinics

[00:58:05] and everything popping up now too.

[00:58:07] It's like, uh, more and more guys just talking about it.

[00:58:11] It's becoming like the new protein powder supplement.

[00:58:14] It is.

[00:58:15] Yeah.

[00:58:15] I see it all the time.

[00:58:16] I see it all the time.

[00:58:17] And they get, it's like cookie cutter and they put everybody on the same thing and they're

[00:58:21] in and out in five minutes and it's like for dirt cheap.

[00:58:23] And it's like, it's just not good because again, they're not addressing everything.

[00:58:26] Not everybody's the same.

[00:58:27] And some people need different nuances.

[00:58:29] There's different ways to do it and different other things you can do to make it better.

[00:58:33] Um, so it's not just, oh, it's just tea.

[00:58:34] It's just, it's easy.

[00:58:35] It's not, it actually, it can be very nuanced.

[00:58:37] If you do it the right way, I can actually customize my dosing.

[00:58:40] And then sometimes I'll combine different protocols to make it even better based on you.

[00:58:44] Um, it makes it different.

[00:58:46] And then, and I know because my, you know, I've seen them and my colleagues have seen

[00:58:49] them, these guys that go to these mills and these little clinics and they get messed

[00:58:52] up because they're on this, these cooker cutter protocols are being supervised by, you

[00:58:56] know, Joe Blow gym trainer who has no medical background telling him,

[00:58:59] what to do on a podcast.

[00:59:00] And it's like, uh, and they don't, they get messed up now.

[00:59:03] They're their blood profiles all messed up and now they have some, some crazy side effects

[00:59:07] and, or something's happening with their liver tests or something else.

[00:59:10] Now we got to fix it.

[00:59:11] You know, I've, I've, I've seen many guys like that.

[00:59:13] And so have my colleagues.

[00:59:13] So yeah, definitely don't want to mess around with that kind of stuff.

[00:59:18] Absolutely.

[00:59:18] Anything else you would like to add, Eric?

[00:59:21] I could go on forever about all these things, but no, I think that was the biggest thing.

[00:59:25] I just want to make sure that people just, you know, like I tell everybody, it's like,

[00:59:27] just, just work with a medical professional who knows what they're doing.

[00:59:30] You know, don't, don't go to the, the blonde trainer, uh, with a, who looks cute or the,

[00:59:35] the, the buff dude with a cool podcast is because, you know, he's gone to a few conferences

[00:59:39] and interviewed some doctors like me.

[00:59:40] And now he's an expert.

[00:59:41] Like just go to a true professional.

[00:59:43] Who's actually gonna spend time with you, ask you a lot of questions, look at all your

[00:59:46] blood work and then, and work with you.

[00:59:48] Um, because you just want to do it right.

[00:59:49] I mean, everybody should have a, a, a trainer.

[00:59:51] So it's like, you need some documents.

[00:59:53] Could you download stuff from legal zoom?

[00:59:54] Do it yourself?

[00:59:55] Probably.

[00:59:55] But you should probably go work with an attorney.

[00:59:57] You're right.

[00:59:57] You know, you know, as airline person can, you know, walking up and down, could probably

[01:00:01] maybe fly the plane, but I would trust the pilot.

[01:00:03] Right?

[01:00:03] So everybody needs coach.

[01:00:04] Everybody needs a professional above them.

[01:00:05] I mean, I have coaches.

[01:00:06] You probably have coaches, you know, just do it the right way.

[01:00:08] Just, and I only say that I don't even care if you work with me, go work with someone else.

[01:00:12] But I just don't want people to get hurt or get messed up.

[01:00:14] I just want you to do the right thing.

[01:00:15] I just, I want people to just be careful and take care of themselves and live a good

[01:00:19] life so they can be the best they can be.

[01:00:21] So they can give back to other people and pass it forward.

[01:00:24] For sure.

[01:00:25] Yeah.

[01:00:25] There's, there's a lot to go on with all those milk clinics and everything.

[01:00:28] So, um, Dr. Eric here is going to be featured on our website shortly here too.

[01:00:34] So we're going to do an interview with him, um, of our preferred providers.

[01:00:38] Um, we're making an initiative to highlight some of the best providers we know in certain

[01:00:43] industries.

[01:00:44] Um, so that we can refer people to, to get, get the right results and get to the right

[01:00:50] place.

[01:00:51] Um, so on our interview there, we're going to talk about, you know, what makes you different.

[01:00:57] Some of these mills, um, and things like that.

[01:01:00] And we could probably do a whole nother podcast on that at some point too of all these, all

[01:01:05] these telehealth clinics popping up everywhere and things like that.

[01:01:08] So, um, and some of the risks that, that go into dealing with something like that.

[01:01:13] So, um, thanks for coming on, man.

[01:01:15] I really appreciate it.

[01:01:16] And, uh, where can people find you?

[01:01:18] Yeah, absolutely.

[01:01:19] Thanks for having me on.

[01:01:20] I appreciate it.

[01:01:20] So, uh, drericprimax.com is my main website.

[01:01:23] Got a ton of, ton of stuff there.

[01:01:25] You can look at some eBooks and freebies.

[01:01:26] And then my social media pages, I've got a ton of free, free videos on my YouTube channel.

[01:01:30] I'm all over, uh, drericfade on Instagram and, uh, Eric Fade and drericfadeprimax on

[01:01:34] Facebook.

[01:01:35] Um, but again, drericprimax is the website is the best place to get ahold of me.

[01:01:40] Sounds good, man.

[01:01:41] Thank you for coming on.

[01:01:42] And appreciate it.

[01:01:43] Yep.

[01:01:44] And, um, check out the show notes for all his, um, contact information.

[01:01:48] And then if you are interested in seeing why he's different, check out our website.

[01:01:52] Uh, we'll be posting that up in a few weeks.

[01:01:54] So thank you everyone for listening.

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